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Making those electric cars cheaper to operate #7720895
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"The U.S. Administration is allocating $13 billion in federal funds to programs for the modernization and expansion of America’s power grid, the White House said on Friday.

The funds, part of the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law, are expected to be used for upgrades on transmission lines, which will “reduce electricity costs for families and businesses, prevent power outages in extreme weather, and create good-paying jobs in the clean energy economy,” the Biden Administration said. "

If you don't count your tax money. smile

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Re: Making those electric cars cheaper to operate [Re: Dirt] #7720977
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Some of us neither support this, nor can afford to waste financial resources.
However this is not as bad as the foolish generosity involving Ukraine.


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Re: Making those electric cars cheaper to operate [Re: Dirt] #7720987
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Taxes don't even come into play anymore. They've over-spent 20-some trillion more than what taxes they get and they're not accountable to anyone for what they do.
And no matter how much they spend on their new green deal there will be no electricity generated when the wind don't blow and the sun don't shine. But nobody understands that. And AC current cannot be stored. It has to be generated constantly.

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Re: Making those electric cars cheaper to operate [Re: Willy Firewood] #7721223
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Originally Posted by Willy Firewood
Some of us neither support this, nor can afford to waste financial resources.
However this is not as bad as the foolish generosity involving Ukraine.


Hopefully, they have plans to give grants to build gas stations and give them tanker trucks. Fair is fair. smile


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Re: Making those electric cars cheaper to operate [Re: Dirt] #7721238
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At the big hospital in civilization they have 8 spots in the parking deck with charging cables. I checked them out and inquired - no cost to plug in and charge a car. They even have a guy to make sure that only coal powered cars park there. So I asked where I can top off my gas tank. He replied “Huh, waddya mean?”


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Re: Making those electric cars cheaper to operate [Re: Dirt] #7721240
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Coal keeps the lights on, God bless the Miners!!


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Re: Making those electric cars cheaper to operate [Re: Willy Firewood] #7721245
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Originally Posted by Willy Firewood
At the big hospital in civilization they have 8 spots in the parking deck with charging cables. I checked them out and inquired - no cost to plug in and charge a car. They even have a guy to make sure that only coal powered cars park there. So I asked where I can top off my gas tank. He replied “Huh, waddya mean?”


The power companies got a grant to put up a couple of fast chargers in Alaska. The EV's drivers at least have to pay the going rate for electricity from those chargers we bought for THEM.


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Re: Making those electric cars cheaper to operate [Re: Dirt] #7721274
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The vast majority of young people today are on board with the new green energy.
It is the future.


Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.
Re: Making those electric cars cheaper to operate [Re: Boco] #7721282
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Originally Posted by Boco
The vast majority of young people today are on board with the new green energy.
It is the future.

That's because there stupid and will inadvertently because of their indoctrination, drag us down to their dreamed up utopia. Coal keeps the light on!!


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Re: Making those electric cars cheaper to operate [Re: Catch22] #7721301
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Originally Posted by Catch22
Coal keeps the lights on, God bless the Miners!!

Yes sir!


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Re: Making those electric cars cheaper to operate [Re: Boco] #7721330
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Originally Posted by Boco
The vast majority of young people today are on board with the new green energy.
It is the future.

The vast majority of young people today are also living in Mom and Dad's basement or Grandmas basement and don't leave the house.
That is the future too.
No wind and no sun is no power.


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Re: Making those electric cars cheaper to operate [Re: Boco] #7721338
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Originally Posted by Boco
The vast majority of young people today are on board with the new green energy.
It is the future.

I'm not sure about "the vast majority", but a huge percentage on young people are pretty ignorant. They will be in for a big disappointment when they decide to take their green car on a cross country trip, or on a fairly long drive during the winter to a ski area.

I am planning to profit off this ignorance.


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Re: Making those electric cars cheaper to operate [Re: Boco] #7721355
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Originally Posted by Boco
The vast majority of young people today are on board with the new green energy.
It is the future.


I'm pretty sure this vast majority wants to eliminate our dependance on foreign ( Canadian ) oil.


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Re: Making those electric cars cheaper to operate [Re: waggler] #7721364
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Originally Posted by waggler
Originally Posted by Boco
The vast majority of young people today are on board with the new green energy.
It is the future.

I'm not sure about "the vast majority", but a huge percentage on young people are pretty ignorant.


I was one of those young people once, but I was smart enough to know how ignorant I was. I was in a high school civics class in 1971 when our civics teacher was so excited that the voting age was being changed from 21 to 18. She was explaining how we now had a duty and responsibility to get out and vote. I argued that neither I, nor anyone else in this room, had any business casting a vote in the upcoming election. We had little interest in politics and were far more focused on what's for lunch and where the party was going to be on Friday night.

I thought I was right at the time, and now 50+ years later I know I was right. If anything the voting age should have been changed from 21 to 25, as you are just beginning to understand long term consequences by then.

Re: Making those electric cars cheaper to operate [Re: waggler] #7721366
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A miner that works with my Son has done several cross country trips in his tesla over the last several years-no problems at all.


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Re: Making those electric cars cheaper to operate [Re: Dirt] #7721378
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See I think different, I think we should open more refineries but import coal, oil, gas etc. We have no shortage of money, we need to save our stuff in case we ever really need it. Wind should be perma banned forever, solar and nuclear are good. Pretty standard for EV fast chargers to charge the going rate for electricity in my experience. At the house its $12 for 250 miles, at the fast chargers typically its like $15 for 200 miles. No matter what though if the amount of EVs ever cross a certain threshold the only thing that will happen is the big power plants will just raise the rates to match close to what they were getting before EVs.

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Originally Posted by Dirt
Originally Posted by Boco
The vast majority of young people today are on board with the new green energy.
It is the future.


I'm pretty sure this vast majority wants to eliminate our dependance on foreign ( Canadian ) oil.

Wow, great comeback! Dirt.


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Originally Posted by MattLA
See I think different, I think we should open more refineries but import coal, oil, gas etc. We have no shortage of money, we need to save our stuff in case we ever really need it. Wind should be perma banned forever, solar and nuclear are good. Pretty standard for EV fast chargers to charge the going rate for electricity in my experience. At the house its $12 for 250 miles, at the fast chargers typically its like $15 for 200 miles. No matter what though if the amount of EVs ever cross a certain threshold the only thing that will happen is the big power plants will just raise the rates to match close to what they were getting before EVs.


Where does all this money come from for consuming stuff?


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Re: Making those electric cars cheaper to operate [Re: Dirt] #7721638
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Does anybody remember when an American made product was banned from selling to the free market?

"After 40-year ban, U.S. starts exporting crude oil"

"Since Congress Lifted Crude Export Ban in 2015, US has Dropped ‘Climate Bomb’ on the World" smile

It was the same time your government went into the oil storage business.

BTW the money comes from productive free enterprise activities conducted in the U.S. that generate profits. Or the promise to service loans, based off the profitability of these enterprises. Or creating money and devaluing the current money.

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Re: Making those electric cars cheaper to operate [Re: Dirt] #7721650
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Originally Posted by Dirt
Originally Posted by Boco
The vast majority of young people today are on board with the new green energy.
It is the future.


I'm pretty sure this vast majority wants to eliminate our dependance on foreign ( Canadian ) oil.


No they want to eliminate the dependance on all oil,foreign and domestic.


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