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Home-Made Pogos vs Wolf Fangs cost comparison #7724466
11/22/22 07:37 PM
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I cut cable when I pull traps. Very much better on my old back and joints and is much faster, so I've made pogos and used them as a true disposable for about 10 years now. But, prices have inceased to the point where it is cheaper/easier/faster to just buy commercial-made fangs.

**Homemade Pogos per 100 = $59.48 or about 60 cent each.

* 2" diameter x 1/4" hole & 20 d common nails (100 each) = $37.58 (includes sales tax).
* 3/32" aluminum double ferrules (200) = $13.90.
* 3/32 7x7 cable (17" per stake) = $8.00.

Must bend and cut nails to make j-hooks.

**Store-bought Wolf Fangs per 100 = $42.00 to $60.00 depending on dealer plus tax and shipping.....about 45 to 65 cent each.

No need for a j-hook so faster to make.
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Three years ago, I could make the 2" pogos for 30 cent each and Wolf Fangs were about 40 to 50 cent each.

Well...that has changed....

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Re: Home-Made Pogos vs Wolf Fangs cost comparison [Re: Swamp Wolf] #7724492
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Since I got 5000 ft of 3/32- 7x7 and 10000 = 3/32 ferrules for free. I only have bout 45 cents a piece in mine. BUT now with others charging = 60 a 100 for Wolf Fangs. With shipping thats 65 or so a 100 pn them. I would love to have some = 40 cent a peice wolf fangs. Willing to buy = 5000 or more at a time BUT dont see it happening. If anyone has a lead on = 5000 or more at 4O cents or less please feel free to PM me. I go threw lots of them

Re: Home-Made Pogos vs Wolf Fangs cost comparison [Re: Swamp Wolf] #7724604
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Here's the direction I'm going. Cutting the superstakes off of my chained stakes and j hooking a pogo. I can straighten a j hook or fold a washer with a puller. The puller won't budge a superstake.

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Or pre-made, same price. 0.25

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No cable to fool with, just replace the pogo after a pull.

Re: Home-Made Pogos vs Wolf Fangs cost comparison [Re: warrior] #7724610
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But. What about if you just dont want OR have the time ro pull? I think Swamp Wolf. As well as myself. Wouldnt mind a cheaper -= cut and run system. I dont mind. Buying in bulk. So IF i couls find a cheaper - Wolf Fang style system. Im all in

Re: Home-Made Pogos vs Wolf Fangs cost comparison [Re: Swamp Wolf] #7724612
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Maybe I still have some grunt left but I can put a puller on and straighten that bottom j hook in about as much time as it takes to cut cable.

Re: Home-Made Pogos vs Wolf Fangs cost comparison [Re: Swamp Wolf] #7724614
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Its either that or I go to a high lift jack.

Re: Home-Made Pogos vs Wolf Fangs cost comparison [Re: warrior] #7724617
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Originally Posted by warrior
Maybe I still have some grunt left but I can put a puller on and straighten that bottom j hook in about as much time as it takes to cut cable.

But why? I use Felco plyers. I may be old. But do you think you can keep up with me doing that 100 times a day ? What about = getting out of the truck. Getting the puller. Then pulling it ? I just keep my Felco plyers in my jacket pocket. 2 traps on each side of rode = puller ? Or plyers? Which do you think will be faster?

Re: Home-Made Pogos vs Wolf Fangs cost comparison [Re: Swamp Wolf] #7724665
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I'd slow down after the first ten, lol.

Re: Home-Made Pogos vs Wolf Fangs cost comparison [Re: warrior] #7724668
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I just need a = 20 cent wolf fang. LoL!

Re: Home-Made Pogos vs Wolf Fangs cost comparison [Re: Swamp Wolf] #7724845
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Since I told Dale Billingsley I just as well tell you folks. Skip the j hook and try some cotter keys. I quit using Pogos a while back but I bought a ton of Cotter Keys at farm sales and in bulk. It saves time in assembly and costs for land sets if you are the "cut and run type". When DP's came out (I bought my first 100 Griz's from Gary Bonnet in 2001 at the nationals) I used a small 1.25" fender washers, J hooks and/or Cotter keys and retrieved them. A pain opening the J's and the expense. Then I switched to no J hook or Cotter key and just threaded the cable through the washer hole and used an annealed 1/4" smashed nut and began drilling. If you want you, can drive cable with a double ferrule loop replacing the J hook and another single ferrule 1"above (sandwiching) the fender washer but more time and expense for me. SO................... For all you old guys like me that have shoulders that remind you of your age, I threw away the hammer and drilled a pilot hole with a cordless drill, pushed the washer down into the hole, set it and was gone. Use a 3/4" diam. drill for 1.25" fender washer and went 12-20" deep. Drill as deep as you think need to for a good hold or drill more pilots for more Pogos and connect them at the chain (two will hold any coon alive). I used this size on DP's for years with no problems. Used bigger washer for a while for canines but I now use something different for disposables on coyotes as I gave up on the expense and drilling of large round holes the larger washers in our frozen ground. You guys may be able to use it year round in GA or AL. My way of cheapening the costs without the quality................................................ the mike

Re: Home-Made Pogos vs Wolf Fangs cost comparison [Re: warrior] #7724853
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Originally Posted by warrior
Maybe I still have some grunt left but I can put a puller on and straighten that bottom j hook in about as much time as it takes to cut cable.

No you can't.


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Re: Home-Made Pogos vs Wolf Fangs cost comparison [Re: steeltraps] #7724854
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Originally Posted by steeltraps
But. What about if you just dont want OR have the time ro pull? I think Swamp Wolf. As well as myself. Wouldnt mind a cheaper -= cut and run system. I dont mind. Buying in bulk. So IF i couls find a cheaper - Wolf Fang style system. Im all in

Some fangs made thinner and CHEAPER would be perfect to cut and run.

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Re: Home-Made Pogos vs Wolf Fangs cost comparison [Re: steeltraps] #7724857
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Originally Posted by steeltraps
I just need a = 20 cent wolf fang. LoL!

Let me know if you find any that cheap....please.


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Re: Home-Made Pogos vs Wolf Fangs cost comparison [Re: Wife] #7724861
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Originally Posted by Wife
Since I told Dale Billingsley I just as well tell you folks. Skip the j hook and try some cotter keys. I quit using Pogos a while back but I bought a ton of Cotter Keys at farm sales and in bulk. It saves time in assembly and costs for land sets if you are the "cut and run type". When DP's came out (I bought my first 100 Griz's from Gary Bonnet in 2001 at the nationals) I used a small 1.25" fender washers, J hooks and/or Cotter keys and retrieved them. A pain opening the J's and the expense. Then I switched to no J hook or Cotter key and just threaded the cable through the washer hole and used an annealed 1/4" smashed nut and began drilling. If you want you, can drive cable with a double ferrule loop replacing the J hook and another single ferrule 1"above (sandwiching) the fender washer but more time and expense for me. SO................... For all you old guys like me that have shoulders that remind you of your age, I threw away the hammer and drilled a pilot hole with a cordless drill, pushed the washer down into the hole, set it and was gone. Use a 3/4" diam. drill for 1.25" fender washer and went 12-20" deep. Drill as deep as you think need to for a good hold or drill more pilots for more Pogos and connect them at the chain (two will hold any coon alive). I used this size on DP's for years with no problems. Used bigger washer for a while for canines but I now use something different for disposables on coyotes as I gave up on the expense and drilling of large round holes the larger washers in our frozen ground. You guys may be able to use it year round in GA or AL. My way of cheapening the costs without the quality................................................ the mike

I've tried the 1.5" and 1.25" washers. They are a no- go for coyotes in sandy soils. I could pull them back up by hand.

Like Steeltraps, I exit with my cable cutters in my left hand and trapping hoe in right...pop trap with foot, kick to the side, take my trapping hoe and make one swing exposing cable below quick link. Cut it into about 2 inches below surface and pitch trap into SxS. Mere seconds to pull trap.

I'm sometimes pulling 100+ coyote sets on same day. Use to take me all day to pull 100 to 150. Now it takes me 1 hour.

I've done the old pry em up, dig em up, auger em up......NO MORE OF THAT 4 ME.

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Re: Home-Made Pogos vs Wolf Fangs cost comparison [Re: Swamp Wolf] #7724878
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Swamp Wolf. Sound like we are on about the same page. I do about the same. Plyers in right hand. Step on trap. Kick dirt at cable Pull up on trap. Clip. Now. I dont dig much. I dont pull up or SET Wolf Fang anchor. Why not ? I just drive it in. Then on pull day. Pull on it. It move 1 inch. Sticks up out of ground. I cut Do 100 or more traps. Never over 130 so far this year. BUT you are right. Pulling with truck? 30000 acres ? 120 traps? Took me 8 hrs last year. This year ? Under 3 hrs. Cut and run????? Yes please! Just looking for cheaper Wolf Fang system

Re: Home-Made Pogos vs Wolf Fangs cost comparison [Re: Swamp Wolf] #7724879
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Originally Posted by Swamp Wolf
Originally Posted by steeltraps
I just need a = 20 cent wolf fang. LoL!

Let me know if you find any that cheap....please.

Swamp Wolf. What if we made our own?? What would be needed? What machine would need to be bought? IF we dont sell them is it illegal to sort of copy a Wolf Fang? I could invest 5 or 6 grand on such a thing. Where do we get materials for them?

Re: Home-Made Pogos vs Wolf Fangs cost comparison [Re: Swamp Wolf] #7724914
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A metal press/stamp is used to make those. Not sure where to get steel. But I'm gonna ask Brian with Southern Snares. He bought Sleepy Creek and has all the presses. He will know.


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Re: Home-Made Pogos vs Wolf Fangs cost comparison [Re: Swamp Wolf] #7724935
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SW. I have an idea. Going to town about 10 am. Will start new thread. About noon. I have to run some numbers. BUT i am spending = 2000 a year or so on = Wolf Fangs. Plus 500 a year on cordless drills 200 a year on drill bits. 100 a year on drivers So. 2800 is a 14 day job. WHAT if i take 2 weeks off. Go to the best gunsmith shop. Friend of mine and spend 2 weeks. 16 hr days. And make say = 50000 Wolf Fang type pointed stakes ???? Save me a LOT of money in the rest of my Trapping career??

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^^^^^^ I am just thinking long term. Good Lord willing at 50 I can trap another 20 years. So even a = 10 or 15000 investment in these. Would pay off long term? Price of materials? Bet it goes up in the future! Quess yall think im crazy for thinking about building 50000 of these ? LOL!! NOT GOING to sell any ! Just build enough to last a for 20 years

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I'm interested in this^^^^^

I use about 1000 per year...if I can keep going. I'm 58....lol


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