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Re: RR Strike [Re: Bob_Iowa] #7724833
11/23/22 08:13 AM
11/23/22 08:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Bob_Iowa
Turning down a 24 percent raise? How greedy can you be?


Its not the pay, it is the PTO that is the issue.

Re: RR Strike [Re: pintail_drake04] #7724987
11/23/22 11:17 AM
11/23/22 11:17 AM
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They were offered money instead of other items they wanted. Greedy? that depends upon who is the Ox. Whether we like it or not or agree or not, this is a good time to be negotiating for advances. Supply issues are improving but still not in full flow and with barges having limits due to drought many commodities are utilizing rail to move product. This will tie up cars, labor and engines. With a big shortage of truck drivers that adds to the issue.

Bryce

Re: RR Strike [Re: HobbieTrapper] #7725003
11/23/22 11:36 AM
11/23/22 11:36 AM
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What’s the difference between unions and government?


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Re: RR Strike [Re: HobbieTrapper] #7725017
11/23/22 11:57 AM
11/23/22 11:57 AM
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Why doesn't the union start their own railroad ?

They never start or create anything .

They let someone else do all the hard work then swoop in to change it , cripple it .....


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Re: RR Strike [Re: HobbieTrapper] #7725043
11/23/22 12:33 PM
11/23/22 12:33 PM
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Having been on both sides of the fence I will give my .02 worth. I am 61 and have only worked for a company with union representation for approx. 7years. The first time it was for BNSF Railroad. Worked there for 1 1/2 years. This is when I was early 50's. There is no schedule whatsoever, you are basically on call 365 days a year. You have no life. I made around 80,000 a year as a conductor, plus good benefits. Could not work out of my town so had to live in a hotel 5 hours away and then furloughed. I knew when the recall notice came I would not go back. No way, no how, the lifestyle is not worth it! Warren Buffet said that BNSF was the worst managed company in his portfolio and yet made him the most money.
I now work for a refinery . Swing shifts. Hopefully for 4 more years till I retire. Here is what is sad. A year ago, management came and told us that they were switching over to renewable diesel, which of course is not feasible cost wise. The plant manager stated the reason they could do it and make it possible was because they would get 4.00 a gallon subsidy from you and me, the taxpayer, that is how it would be profitable. In essence jumping on the greenie trend and becoming corporate welfare leaches!
I was in mgmt for 30 years, corporations suck as much or more than unions.

Last edited by jwill; 11/23/22 01:01 PM.

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Re: RR Strike [Re: HobbieTrapper] #7725057
11/23/22 12:51 PM
11/23/22 12:51 PM
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Same thing with ethanol, if it doesn’t have fed govt backing it can’t survive on its own. Cost more to produce it than what they can sell it for.


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Re: RR Strike [Re: HobbieTrapper] #7725060
11/23/22 12:59 PM
11/23/22 12:59 PM
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As a railroader I can tell you it never was about money. That 24% over 5 years doesn’t even cover cost of living increases and the only reason the railroads agreed to it was the PEB recommended it, It’s about time off. We get 30 days per year off, vacation days. No weekends, no holidays, only vacation days. You have to schedule a vacation day at least 2 weeks in advance to go to the doctor. The rest of the year you are on call 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. Look up Hi-Viz attendance policy for BNSF railway before you comment, that will give you some view of railroad life. Not asking for anyone’s sympathy on this because yes we choose to stay but some us are just to old and dumb to do anything except run trains!!

There won’t be any strike, we would be forced back to work by congress within just a few hours. It’s estimated that a railroad strike would cost the country 2 billion dollars a day. We don’t want that, no one wants that.

Re: RR Strike [Re: HobbieTrapper] #7725071
11/23/22 01:14 PM
11/23/22 01:14 PM
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Eastern Shore of Maryland
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One of us wouldn’t care.


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Re: RR Strike [Re: Bob_Iowa] #7725074
11/23/22 01:21 PM
11/23/22 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Bob_Iowa
Turning down a 24 percent raise? How greedy can you be?
....that 24percent is over a 5 year period so that equals alittle over 3 percent per year. that has not even kept up with inflation. we have been working without a contract for years now...but the beef is over paid sick leave we have none and forced to take vacation time we are. asking for 2 weeks this all from a company that made billions last year while we worked through the pandemic and was told to get vacinated or be fired...i told them to fire me i was not getting biden's unconstitutional jab but still working .. even if we do strike congress will mandate the contract for us and send us back to work within days and the democratic congress will make sure its for far less than what we ask for just to teach us a lesson....be interesting to see how things play out.

Last edited by wallfur; 11/23/22 01:30 PM.
Re: RR Strike [Re: HobbieTrapper] #7725079
11/23/22 01:24 PM
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sorry didht see your post mosam.....but you said it better than i did other not all employee get 30 days ...new guys only get 5 days with the 30 days coming only after 25 years of service

Last edited by wallfur; 11/23/22 01:33 PM.
Re: RR Strike [Re: HobbieTrapper] #7725084
11/23/22 01:39 PM
11/23/22 01:39 PM
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30 days vacation... on call 365? Sounds like the military except way better pay and you're not getting shot at in some decrepit third world country. Unions are just the fund raising branch of the Democrat party.


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Re: RR Strike [Re: HobbieTrapper] #7725090
11/23/22 01:52 PM
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military has better retirement 20 years 55 years old railroad is 30 service at age 65....railroad has its share of fatalities 2 last month

Re: RR Strike [Re: HobbieTrapper] #7725119
11/23/22 02:31 PM
11/23/22 02:31 PM
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Eastern Shore of Maryland
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Walmart had 5.


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Re: RR Strike [Re: wallfur] #7725211
11/23/22 05:34 PM
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Dealing with the same stuff at my company. Inflation up 8.3% company offered 3% all this while the ceo gets a bonus every year from 750k to 1.3mil. Asked for dollar an hour more on the weekends. Said we are being unreasonable. It gets old when corporate greed takes over.


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Re: RR Strike [Re: HobbieTrapper] #7725277
11/23/22 06:40 PM
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And here we go again…….


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Re: RR Strike [Re: HobbieTrapper] #7725372
11/23/22 07:57 PM
11/23/22 07:57 PM
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That's 4.8 %

Re: RR Strike [Re: HobbieTrapper] #7725376
11/23/22 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by HobbieTrapper
And here we go again…….

Is there something wrong with a man wanting a decent living wage and time off. We’re supposed to work to live and not live to work. The last raise we got was 2.5 percent and the company raised our insurance premiums by 3 percent then raised our deductible so we had more out of pocket cost. That’s just my example. I could go on, but I’m not. Most of you guys already have your mind made up on how the unions are pure evil.


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Re: RR Strike [Re: Ohiowoodchuck] #7725383
11/23/22 08:04 PM
11/23/22 08:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Ohiowoodchuck
Originally Posted by HobbieTrapper
And here we go again…….

Is there something wrong with a man wanting a decent living wage and time off. We’re supposed to work to live and not live to work. The last raise we got was 2.5 percent and the company raised our insurance premiums by 3 percent then raised our deductible so we had more out of pocket cost. That’s just my example. I could go on, but I’m not. Most of you guys already have your mind made up on how the unions are pure evil.



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Re: RR Strike [Re: HobbieTrapper] #7725403
11/23/22 08:13 PM
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24% would be about evening out inflation
add a 5K bonus would about even them up with what they made 5 years ago

it sounded like being oncall 24/7 was a issue they wanted resolved , they wanted to be able to go to the doctor and not get called in while at dr , or take a trip on a weekend.

as I understand it currently if they try to go hunting , they get called , they have to be able to get to their section of track in a set amount of time

a person should have a night or two a week or a week a or weekend a month that they can do whatever they want after hours without worrying about getting woken up and running off to work.

I have been on call for 23 years mostly I have one night a week and 1 weekend a month
there have been times I had 3 nights a week and a few weekends in a row and it is a drain to never be able to go anywhere or do anything farther than 15 minutes away that you can't walk out as soon as the pager goes off.


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Re: RR Strike [Re: cathryn] #7731897
12/01/22 03:56 PM
12/01/22 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by cathryn
It never happen.

The government already subsidizes the railroads..theyll bail them out.

The people.might get what they want but the govt will be paying the bill.

My understanding is that the government does the subsidizing of the railroad because in The event of a war the railroad will be there to move equipment and whatever necessary for defense quickly.



I nailed it.lol


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