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Re: WI will be getting a new DNR secretay soon [Re: Nelly] #7726208
11/24/22 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Nelly
Nearly everyone has a better governor than we have.


I don't think we do.


Eh...wot?

Re: WI will be getting a new DNR secretay soon [Re: bblwi] #7726248
11/24/22 07:07 PM
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Voter referendums have been the death of trapping and hunting opportunitues across this country. Horrible idea.

As far as voting for DNR commissioner/secretary, or whatever your state calls them, the only way that would be a good idea is if only licensed hunters, trappers, anglers were elegible to vote. General election would also be a horrible idea.

Re: WI will be getting a new DNR secretay soon [Re: Catch22] #7726283
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Originally Posted by Catch22
Originally Posted by Donnersurvivor
I don't think you understand my point. If these position were by election they will become One issue elections. Someone will run on ending trapping or hunting with hounds or ending Wolf hunting and they will receive a TON of out of state money to run adds that play to emotion. Get an anti elected with out of state funds with the promise to end consumptive use and it's over.

A lot of States have these restrictions and does your last sentence not sum it up? Point blank, Is control better suited for one Man or Women, or we the people?


Governor's appointments are better than we the people in this instance.

Re: WI will be getting a new DNR secretay soon [Re: walleye101] #7726284
11/24/22 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by walleye101
Voter referendums have been the death of trapping and hunting opportunitues across this country. Horrible idea.

As far as voting for DNR commissioner/secretary, or whatever your state calls them, the only way that would be a good idea is if only licensed hunters, trappers, anglers were elegible to vote. General election would also be a horrible idea.


That might fly if the agency only managed fish and game, but our DNR in Wisconsin is a single agency that also includes forestry, air, water, soil, etc. Lots of stakeholders besides just hunters, trappers and anglers.

Though I do agree only licensed hunters, anglers and trappers should get to vote in our spring hearings that directly influence hunting, fishing and trapping regulations. Online voting for that was the worst thing to ever happen.

Re: WI will be getting a new DNR secretay soon [Re: Donnersurvivor] #7726319
11/24/22 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Donnersurvivor
I don't think you understand my point. If these position were by election they will become One issue elections. Someone will run on ending trapping or hunting with hounds or ending Wolf hunting and they will receive a TON of out of state money to run adds that play to emotion. Get an anti elected with out of state funds with the promise to end consumptive use and it's over.

If you live in a liberal state like ours there is no difference -- We haven't had a R gov. in over 30 years -- I would rather take my chances with single issue voters - at least we can win some of the smaller elections where the citiots don't pay as much attention.

Re: WI will be getting a new DNR secretay soon [Re: bblwi] #7726322
11/24/22 08:30 PM
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So wonderfully spoken Donner. Good luck


I wonder if tap dancers walk into a room, look at the floor, and think, I'd tap that. I wonder about things.....
Re: WI will be getting a new DNR secretay soon [Re: Catch22] #7726344
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Originally Posted by Catch22
So wonderfully spoken Donner. Good luck


Let me know when wildlife issues on a ballot go our way.

Re: WI will be getting a new DNR secretay soon [Re: Donnersurvivor] #7726372
11/24/22 09:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Donnersurvivor
Originally Posted by Catch22
So wonderfully spoken Donner. Good luck


Let me know when wildlife issues on a ballot go our way.

Let me know when they're on the ballot, said in a Groucho Marx accent.


I wonder if tap dancers walk into a room, look at the floor, and think, I'd tap that. I wonder about things.....
Re: WI will be getting a new DNR secretay soon [Re: bblwi] #7726391
11/24/22 10:03 PM
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I personally would rather lobby or discuss issues with a gov and his/her staff even if policy does not fit my thoughts the best than turning things over to 4-4.5 million citizens who don't, hunt, fish, trap or really think wildlife management should include lethal dispatch of a whole host of species. If we were under the whims of the general public in the whole US most of us would be hunting less with less place to hunt and trapping would have some serious head winds to face.

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Re: WI will be getting a new DNR secretay soon [Re: bblwi] #7726534
11/25/22 08:07 AM
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It would be nice to see someone named that had worked their way up the ranks from warden, preferably someone that also hunted, fished and trapped. I know that is hoping for too much.


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Re: WI will be getting a new DNR secretay soon [Re: Donnersurvivor] #7726544
11/25/22 08:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Donnersurvivor
Originally Posted by Catch22
So wonderfully spoken Donner. Good luck


Let me know when wildlife issues on a ballot go our way.


Correct as can be Donnersurvivor. Well said.


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Re: WI will be getting a new DNR secretay soon [Re: bblwi] #7726545
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If anyone questioned Coles ability to effectively run the WDNR and what his politics were, only needed to watch his participation in the zoom meetings.

Re: WI will be getting a new DNR secretay soon [Re: 8117 Steve R] #7726580
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Originally Posted by 8117 Steve R
It would be nice to see someone named that had worked their way up the ranks from warden, preferably someone that also hunted, fished and trapped. I know that is hoping for too much.


This was Coles' previous job:

Preston Cole, Commissioner of the Department of Neighborhood Service.

Prior to moving to DNS Cole was the Director of Operations, City of Milwaukee Department of Public Works.

His forestry experience was tree trimming and planting trees in boulevard medians in the City of Milwaukee. Being a minority it would have been racist to question his qualifications. I expect a similar political appointment from Gov. Evers this time around.

Re: WI will be getting a new DNR secretay soon [Re: bblwi] #7726596
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In these Democrat administrations there are a whole lot of boxes to check before you ever get to experience and qualifications. Been going on in MN for a while.

Re: WI will be getting a new DNR secretay soon [Re: bblwi] #7726647
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The only box that matters is the size of the campaign donation.......


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Re: WI will be getting a new DNR secretay soon [Re: QuietButDeadly] #7726696
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Originally Posted by QuietButDeadly
The only box that matters is the size of the campaign donation.......


........as long as you checked the right race, gender, or preferred pronoun boxes.

Re: WI will be getting a new DNR secretay soon [Re: bblwi] #7727883
11/27/22 01:06 AM
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Originally Posted by bblwi
I personally would rather lobby or discuss issues with a gov and his/her staff even if policy does not fit my thoughts the best than turning things over to 4-4.5 million citizens who don't, hunt, fish, trap or really think wildlife management should include lethal dispatch of a whole host of species. If we were under the whims of the general public in the whole US most of us would be hunting less with less place to hunt and trapping would have some serious head winds to face..

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Re: WI will be getting a new DNR secretay soon [Re: corky] #7727885
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Originally Posted by corky
Originally Posted by 8117 Steve R
It would be nice to see someone named that had worked their way up the ranks from warden, preferably someone that also hunted, fished and trapped. I know that is hoping for too much.


This was Coles' previous job:

Preston Cole, Commissioner of the Department of Neighborhood Service.

Prior to moving to DNS Cole was the Director of Operations, City of Milwaukee Department of Public Works.

His forestry experience was tree trimming and planting trees in boulevard medians in the City of Milwaukee. Being a minority it would have been racist to question his qualifications. I expect a similar political appointment from Gov. Evers this time around.

He was also chair of the NRB as well as a past forester for the Missouri Department of Conservation.
He received a Bachelors degree in Forest Management from the University of Missouri.
That said, I still don't like what he has done for WDNR.

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Re: WI will be getting a new DNR secretay soon [Re: bblwi] #7765797
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