anybody have some spare cannon shells laying...
#7731278
11/30/22 10:29 PM
11/30/22 10:29 PM
|
Joined: Dec 2015
Posts: 6,340 se South Dakota
NonPCfed
OP
trapper
|
OP
trapper
Joined: Dec 2015
Posts: 6,340
se South Dakota
|
...around? The AFU boys and girls may need some. Things are not going well in the Donbas for them. Look up the news about the fighting in and around a city called Bakhmut (also known as Artemovsk). Even Field Marshal Boco probably can't fix that one. Maybe we can send the secert weapons of Blinken-or-Nod or Jake the Skinny Snake to fight and bleed slowly (or maybe not so slow) in the mud...
AFU offensive in Svatove and Kremenna stalled due to ammunition shortage: details
The Ukrainian Armed Forces have failed the planned November offensive in the Kupyansk and Krasnoliman directions due to an artillery crisis.
A check of the combat efficiency of the 92nd and 80th AFU brigades near Svatov has revealed that units armed with self-propelled and towed guns are experiencing serious shell starvation and cannot take part in major offensives.
According to the Military Chronicle, the biggest shortages are related to artillery shells of 122 and 152 mm caliber, as well as the delivery and use of shells of NATO caliber (155 mm). The ammunition situation is particularly difficult in units using 203 mm Pion guns. Shells for these guns were not produced in Ukraine, and their quantity was strictly limited.
Production of artillery ammunition of Soviet calibers at the Artem plant in Kyiv is currently impossible. The company cannot operate in the context of Ukraine's energy shortage and constant missile attacks on the country's military infrastructure.
The situation is different in the 25th and 95th brigades of the AFU near Novovovodnoye (35 km north of Kremenna). The units are depleted due to high casualties and the deterioration of guns. Approximately 30-40% of self-propelled and towed guns have been destroyed or require repair, while another 30% have already been sent for repair and taken out of service. For the remaining 155mm shells, the AFU units near Kremenna are short of guns.
Due to artillery shortages, the AFU is not receiving modern weapons, but foreign M101 105mm caliber guns have been produced since 1941. Shells for these guns are not effective enough and are consumed 15 times faster than 152mm ammunition, which only adds to the shortage of ammunition.
The AFU cannot promptly replenish ammunition from old depots in the nearest regions: most of the RAW depots in Dnipropetrovsk, Zaporizhzhia, Kharkiv, Sumy, Kyiv, and Chernihiv regions have been destroyed by high-precision weaponry.
The shells that manage to reach artillery units have expired shelf lives. The newest ammunition with a long shelf life was produced in the late 1980s and shows signs of casing deterioration, leading to incidents. Since the beginning of October, the howitzer division of the 25th Airborne Troops Brigade has recorded at least three fatal incidents involving a projectile rupture in the breech casing of the 122mm D-30 gun.
The redistribution of shells and guns between units on the Kremenna-Svatovo line is hampered by the November muddy weather, a shortage of heavy equipment to transport ammunition, and the activity of Russian Orlan-30 drones, which target surviving AFU convoys with rocket artillery and Su-25 attack aircraft, depriving Ukrainian forces of the ability to form a striking grouping.
"And God said, Let us make man in our image �and let them have dominion �and all the creatures that move along the ground". Genesis 1:26
|
|
|
Re: anybody have some spare cannon shells laying...
[Re: NonPCfed]
#7731285
11/30/22 10:33 PM
11/30/22 10:33 PM
|
Joined: Jan 2014
Posts: 21,050 North East Kansas
Marty
trapper
|
trapper
Joined: Jan 2014
Posts: 21,050
North East Kansas
|
shell shock?
biden promised a bunch of $ to fix the uke grid.....maybe someone needs to tell him our grid needs work...
E 'Honey Badger Militia' Sleep, the anti woke adote.
|
|
|
Re: anybody have some spare cannon shells laying...
[Re: Yes sir]
#7731318
11/30/22 11:17 PM
11/30/22 11:17 PM
|
Joined: Feb 2020
Posts: 8,945 Indiana
Providence Farm
trapper
|
trapper
Joined: Feb 2020
Posts: 8,945
Indiana
|
Wonder what the $ we sent them is doing Where did the billions of dollars of our weapons go? Probably sent them to the same place all the gear we left in Afghanistan ended up.
|
|
|
Re: anybody have some spare cannon shells laying...
[Re: NonPCfed]
#7731333
11/30/22 11:30 PM
11/30/22 11:30 PM
|
Joined: Jan 2014
Posts: 21,050 North East Kansas
Marty
trapper
|
trapper
Joined: Jan 2014
Posts: 21,050
North East Kansas
|
Not billions, many tens of billions.
E 'Honey Badger Militia' Sleep, the anti woke adote.
|
|
|
Re: anybody have some spare cannon shells laying...
[Re: NonPCfed]
#7731354
11/30/22 11:51 PM
11/30/22 11:51 PM
|
Joined: Dec 2015
Posts: 6,340 se South Dakota
NonPCfed
OP
trapper
|
OP
trapper
Joined: Dec 2015
Posts: 6,340
se South Dakota
|
Here's one for Boco, the AFU boys down on their side of the river in Kherson. The hromadske videos are of a higher professional quality in editing and adding dramatic music than say Patrick Lancaster's home edited ones. These Ukies have some western weapons, a few old LAWs (what's their effective range, I doubt all the way across the river) and some non AK rifles. I wonder who they are shooting at towards the end, some Russian Johnny Sneakums up in the bridge supports or just to add some good scenes for the video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-X74oJ7c1wI wonder what the deal is about the AFU solider wearing the "Blackbeard" flag patch on his uniform. It seems that the Ukies are into Blackbeard, it must mean something to them now. You can get your own Ukie Blackbeard flag patch here. We're all pirates now... https://www.ebay.com/itm/134153486720
"And God said, Let us make man in our image �and let them have dominion �and all the creatures that move along the ground". Genesis 1:26
|
|
|
Re: anybody have some spare cannon shells laying...
[Re: NonPCfed]
#7732231
12/01/22 11:09 PM
12/01/22 11:09 PM
|
Joined: Dec 2015
Posts: 6,340 se South Dakota
NonPCfed
OP
trapper
|
OP
trapper
Joined: Dec 2015
Posts: 6,340
se South Dakota
|
A little more research on the "Blackbeard flag" patch that some of the Ukies are wearing. This particular "flag" has been associated with Blackbeard but he may not have actually used it before his last battle and his head ended up on a pike stuck into the ground near the entrance of Chesapeake Bay as a warning to other wannabe pirates. It appears that many English/ western European pirate symbols trace back or can be associated with “No Quarter”. This term has often meant that no prisoners will be taken or basically a fight to the death, although the well known “Jolly Roger” black flag, skull and crossbones was the opposite of no quarter. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_quarterSomeone on an international forum that I occasionally post on called all of this stuff a “death cult”, certainly if you go google “No Quarter flags” there are some pretty nasty looking symbols and people wearing it, although none of those seem to be Ukrainian soldiers. https://www.google.com/search?source=univ&tbm=isch&q=no+quarter+flag&client=firefox-b-1-d&fir=KWAjw4-nXPvY_M%252C7QZH9SOd0UVZKM%252C_%253BHqHeJiYD-M4fSM%252CmKQG4FoaHb3Y4M%252C_%253B-aUOWSbnIGPweM%252Cb1L0E0Oj6KYxRM%252C_%253BLjXdNLTEH01ZiM%252CvfzQkxIma1IVGM%252C_%253BIrTln9S9Td1fSM%252C-BDzpIXadHD7HM%252C_%253BGADVliPxSCGnRM%252CNgSDjWxNkc1JCM%252C_%253B7ibaJV5eziOlfM%252CwAzPDVEBiGrXaM%252C_%253Bynzanfvf1KE-nM%252CF5iYpZoIGa4NmM%252C_%253BO1-jFhgk2glbZM%252C_RluHlMBCjjLPM%252C_%253BaKJLuQ7em-y3KM%252Cl4Bx9ocqhuTmuM%252C_%253BOuvdLrb_omzyVM%252CXI7NvIV1DEoZDM%252C_%253B9qH2Cu5wfF-ThM%252Cf9st6i3I5SCb2M%252C_%253BhqmszvJqAKLZrM%252C5_cv1GIBDHGnUM%252C_%253BGMuikNUQrEXCDM%252CQkasHupl1g_TMM%252C_%253Bw23aWmUVuuLHwM%252CPYIBuqlNsAgkfM%252C_&usg=AI4_-kTMZ76QVAYPShOQ30ks4NhPpWUPlA&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiV4KX9y9j7AhXaLTQIHUshCqgQjJkEegQIOxAC&biw=1280&bih=871&dpr=1 Someone supplied me with this photo today that was supposedly taken in September after the AFU (and friends?) offensive that took back parts of the Kharkov oblast (province). Who knows, maybe all staged, but they had a big old "Blackbeard" flag there waving over the supposed Rus POW. I think I'll pass on buying the patch on ebay. Not really my style... https://www.ebay.com/itm/134153486720
"And God said, Let us make man in our image �and let them have dominion �and all the creatures that move along the ground". Genesis 1:26
|
|
|
Re: anybody have some spare cannon shells laying...
[Re: Donnersurvivor]
#7732279
12/02/22 12:58 AM
12/02/22 12:58 AM
|
Joined: Nov 2014
Posts: 1,939 east central WI
Dirty D
trapper
|
trapper
Joined: Nov 2014
Posts: 1,939
east central WI
|
Whole thing is a mess, should of never gone on this long. I agree. I think our gov't wants to keep it going. Lots of reason why. US selling fuel to Europe that would of come from Russia, US using lots of our munitions=donations from munitions makers to politicians, US sending billions to Ukraine = money not being accounted for ending up again in politicians pockets. Time to have Ukraine give the eastern part that the Russians are fighting over to Russia. Ukraine was killing those people of their own country for years anyways, it solve 2 problems at once.
|
|
|
Re: anybody have some spare cannon shells laying...
[Re: NonPCfed]
#7732281
12/02/22 01:06 AM
12/02/22 01:06 AM
|
Joined: Jan 2014
Posts: 21,050 North East Kansas
Marty
trapper
|
trapper
Joined: Jan 2014
Posts: 21,050
North East Kansas
|
lotsa folks getting rich off the US/NATO support for the uke's.....do not expect that to stop anytime soon.
E 'Honey Badger Militia' Sleep, the anti woke adote.
|
|
|
Re: anybody have some spare cannon shells laying...
[Re: NonPCfed]
#7732314
12/02/22 05:45 AM
12/02/22 05:45 AM
|
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 29,865 williamsburg ks
danny clifton
"Grumpy Old Man"
|
"Grumpy Old Man"
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 29,865
williamsburg ks
|
What Marty said. War is profitable if you and yours are not doing the fighting and dying
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
|
|
|
Re: anybody have some spare cannon shells laying...
[Re: Dirty D]
#7732377
12/02/22 08:07 AM
12/02/22 08:07 AM
|
Joined: Jan 2018
Posts: 4,572 MN
Donnersurvivor
trapper
|
trapper
Joined: Jan 2018
Posts: 4,572
MN
|
Whole thing is a mess, should of never gone on this long. I agree. I think our gov't wants to keep it going. Lots of reason why. US selling fuel to Europe that would of come from Russia, US using lots of our munitions=donations from munitions makers to politicians, US sending billions to Ukraine = money not being accounted for ending up again in politicians pockets. Time to have Ukraine give the eastern part that the Russians are fighting over to Russia. Ukraine was killing those people of their own country for years anyways, it solve 2 problems at once. I agree. The only reason this war is dragging out is because the U.S wants it to.
|
|
|
Re: anybody have some spare cannon shells laying...
[Re: NonPCfed]
#7732461
12/02/22 09:58 AM
12/02/22 09:58 AM
|
Joined: Dec 2015
Posts: 6,340 se South Dakota
NonPCfed
OP
trapper
|
OP
trapper
Joined: Dec 2015
Posts: 6,340
se South Dakota
|
Maybe Larry Johnson is a bit too optimistic for the Rus but the thing that much of the western MSM fail to acknowledge is the total concept about the "ability to wage war". Multiple factors are involved, especially away from the battlefield such as with logistics and war goods production. The last one almost no one U.S. MSM will address, not even Tucker Carlson. Its not overly war sexy but its vastly important. Nations don't win wars without its ability to maintain or even increase it during conflict. https://sonar21.com/more-information-about-ukraines-military-deaths/
"And God said, Let us make man in our image �and let them have dominion �and all the creatures that move along the ground". Genesis 1:26
|
|
|
Re: anybody have some spare cannon shells laying...
[Re: Marty]
#7732841
12/02/22 06:30 PM
12/02/22 06:30 PM
|
Joined: Feb 2016
Posts: 849 Washington
wildflights
trapper
|
trapper
Joined: Feb 2016
Posts: 849
Washington
|
Not billions, many tens of billions. $91 Billion and counting...
Tradition is not the worship of ashes, but the preservation of fire. -Gustav Mahler
|
|
|
Re: anybody have some spare cannon shells laying...
[Re: NonPCfed]
#7732876
12/02/22 07:09 PM
12/02/22 07:09 PM
|
Joined: Jan 2014
Posts: 21,050 North East Kansas
Marty
trapper
|
trapper
Joined: Jan 2014
Posts: 21,050
North East Kansas
|
^ that is very bad....what a scam, hijacking the US budget and these folks will be in power for the rest of the decade if not longer.
E 'Honey Badger Militia' Sleep, the anti woke adote.
|
|
|
|
|