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Re: Goats and Buckthorn
[Re: Donnersurvivor]
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03/23/23 11:53 PM
03/23/23 11:53 PM
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If goats work I may get 1 or 2.
I had the Forester at my property this week & he said buckthorn can be treated in the winter. Maybe he was talking about using Tordon because I didn't think the Garlon I use via cut stump treatment would be effective in winter. Intriguing though.
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Re: Goats and Buckthorn
[Re: Donnersurvivor]
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04/27/23 08:51 AM
04/27/23 08:51 AM
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Greene County,Virginia
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There's a business called brush busters that rents goats out to people with overgrown land in the Charlottesville ,VA area. I have seen the goats @ work. I don't know exactly how it compares to using herbicide. But roundup is slowly being phased out by local laws. I do have a landscaper that uses Roundup on the sly. Whenever a car drives by they stop spraying. They have a lookout dude who yells "car". At least one other state has phased out roundup for non row crop usage.
wanna be goat farmer.
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Re: Goats and Buckthorn
[Re: Dirty D]
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04/27/23 11:31 AM
04/27/23 11:31 AM
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MN, Land of 10,000 Lakes
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personally I would never use goats on any property that wasn't in really sad shape to begin with. Even then what the goats do will not guarantee elimination, just knocks them back for a year.
I killed most of my Buckthorn using the basal bark method using Garlon 4 for the herbicide mixed with diesel. Gotta be careful with it tho and avoid over application. My place (approx 20 acre of woods) that had Buckthorn did not have it very bad. Scattered in 3-4 areas and none of the areas it was dominate. I have 20 acres of woods too. I thought about the goat idea. After a little research, it is as you say. It knocks the buckthorn back for a year, but comes back the next year. I cut the larger plants down and paint the stumps with undiluted Crossbow. That kills the tree. New emergent plants can be killed with a diluted Crossbow spray. I also have an abundance of prickly ash that I treat the same way as the buckthorn. The prickly ash is much easier to kill than buckthorn.
It's not always about catching fish. That's what people who don't catch fish usually say.
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Re: Goats and Buckthorn
[Re: BTLowry]
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04/27/23 11:42 AM
04/27/23 11:42 AM
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Indiana
Providence Farm
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As a goat owner I will tell you that you are wasting your time.
We had 40 something at one time. They eat what you most want them too last 99% of the time. The cost to fence 100ac to reliably keep a goat in will be significant
On top of that if you do not have rocky soil you will be trimming hooves regularly AND they are the most parasite prone critter I have ever owned.
If I had 100 ac of "brush" I would hire someone with equipment to get it cleaned up. Think heavy equipment, push up and burn. Then get a sprayer, educate yourself on the best herbicide for basal spraying the targeted species and get to spraying any new growth.
100 ac is nothing to attack on foot unless the undesired stuff makes up a small percentage of what is there
He does not need to fence the entire property. He only needs a 3 to 5 sections of premier 1 electro net fence a battery, solar panel and energizer. Then just move the fence when they have eaten it down.. hoof trimming I'd once every 3 months and simple. Parasites are much lead of an issue tlwhen you are moving the goats around vs leaving them in the same area. Mowing my path, Moving my fence pulling and driving the ground rod only takes an hour and half maybe 2.
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Re: Goats and Buckthorn
[Re: AJE]
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04/29/23 03:18 AM
04/29/23 03:18 AM
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Indiana
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Instead of fencing, could a person put the goat on some sort of leash/anchor with swivels? Yes, but I did have one get into yellow jackets and couldn't get away from them like that . I won't do it again and do not recommend.
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Re: Goats and Buckthorn
[Re: AJE]
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04/29/23 07:32 AM
04/29/23 07:32 AM
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Instead of fencing, could a person put the goat on some sort of leash/anchor with swivels? I wanted to use electronic dog collars. I've heard goats can be trained to it and they're cheap compared to goat fence
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Re: Goats and Buckthorn
[Re: Northernbeaver]
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04/29/23 11:20 PM
04/29/23 11:20 PM
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WI - Wisconsin
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Use chemicals and mechanical means of pulling. I've waged war on buck thorn. It is the Devil of the Woods. This sums up exactly what I do and have experienced. I'm not sure how forests in Wisconsin are going to have a future because most people are doing nothing about buckthorn. I would imagine there's a risk coyotes and bobcat could harass a goat On an infested property it'd be easy to keep a goat busy all summer probably, but during the off season I'm not sure what the best thing to do with the goat would be-- perhaps find a farmer willing to hold it
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Re: Goats and Buckthorn
[Re: Providence Farm]
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04/30/23 08:01 AM
04/30/23 08:01 AM
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East Texas
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As a goat owner I will tell you that you are wasting your time.
We had 40 something at one time. They eat what you most want them too last 99% of the time. The cost to fence 100ac to reliably keep a goat in will be significant
On top of that if you do not have rocky soil you will be trimming hooves regularly AND they are the most parasite prone critter I have ever owned.
If I had 100 ac of "brush" I would hire someone with equipment to get it cleaned up. Think heavy equipment, push up and burn. Then get a sprayer, educate yourself on the best herbicide for basal spraying the targeted species and get to spraying any new growth.
100 ac is nothing to attack on foot unless the undesired stuff makes up a small percentage of what is there
He does not need to fence the entire property. He only needs a 3 to 5 sections of premier 1 electro net fence a battery, solar panel and energizer. Then just move the fence when they have eaten it down.. hoof trimming I'd once every 3 months and simple. Parasites are much lead of an issue tlwhen you are moving the goats around vs leaving them in the same area. Mowing my path, Moving my fence pulling and driving the ground rod only takes an hour and half maybe 2. Well if he can mow paths through it, I would mow what I could and basal spray the buckthorn. Goats are not going to kill brush too big to mow anyway, they will only clear the vegetation they can eat. Ground to 4' or so. Bottom line is you have your opinion of goats and as a FORMER owner of goats I have mine. OP needs pros and cons to make a decision and I am just providing some cons 
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