Re: Time to end labor unions
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12/08/22 01:29 PM
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Bidens recent bid is 36 Billion to the union pensions. To prop them up. (buying their votes in the future). yeah, because he's clearly just recently showed the RR unions what a staunch supporter he is. They're dumb enough to forget the bend over and take it and not smart enough to know if they invested the money they give the union/politicians, they'd be further ahead.
There comes a point liberalism has gone too far, we're past that point.
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Re: Time to end labor unions
[Re: danny clifton]
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12/08/22 01:34 PM
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When I was going over the road I always knew within a few minutes if i was at a union business or not. Non union your in and out in a timely fashion. If its a union run business your there for hours. Lazy, unmotivated slackers.
LOL,,what a crock.You sound like a disgruntled EX union worker.Wonder why they let you go.
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Re: Time to end labor unions
[Re: danny clifton]
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12/08/22 01:37 PM
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What unions have devolved into is an incestuous relationship between unions and demonrats. Dues are taken from paychecks, then laundered thru union bosses to campaign contributions (among other things) to demonrat politicians, who in exchange do what FJB just did. And the wheels on the bus go round and round.
Can't give the numbers, but it is said largest union is actually union of US government workers. In light of above, let that sink in for a moment. The swamp runs wide and deep.
Easy to vote your way into socialism, but impossible to vote your way out of it.
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Re: Time to end labor unions
[Re: danny clifton]
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12/08/22 01:50 PM
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"IBEW PRESIDENT LONNIE STEPHENSON ON VP BIDEN’S CLEAN-ENERGY PLAN IBEW International President Lonnie R. Stephenson issued the following statement regarding Joe Biden’s clean-energy plan:
“Vice President Joe Biden’s clean energy plan is more than just an ambitious and comprehensive blueprint to combat climate change and put our country on the path to a sustainable future. It is a massive investment in millions of American jobs, doing everything from rebuilding our crumbling infrastructure to retrofitting tens of thousands of homes and offices.
“As president of the IBEW, the largest union of electrical workers in the nation, I’m pleased that it will create so many jobs in nearly every sector of the workforce we represent, including construction, utility, telecommunications, manufacturing, and railroad. Joe Biden has made it clear that any new federal investments must support American jobs and American made products.
“This plan will spur a renaissance in American manufacturing while creating numerous good jobs for electricians by using the power of the federal government to encourage demand for electric vehicles.
“It will also put Americans to work rebuilding our aged transportation infrastructure, including investing in our railroads, which means more good rail jobs.
“These are vital jobs that our nation needs more than ever. And by strictly enforcing prevailing wage, workplace protections, and supporting the right of workers to organize unions and bargain collectively, the plan ensures that these will be good, middle-class sustaining jobs.
“Confronting the challenge of climate change while ensuring America’s energy security requires tapping into all of our clean power sources, including solar, wind, hydro, and nuclear, and investing in new green technologies like advanced battery storage and carbon capture utilization and sequestration. Vice President Biden’s plan does that with an inclusive and balanced approach to investing in our energy and economic future.
“The men and women of the IBEW have been part of American’s clean-energy revolution for years now. We look forward to working with a Biden administration in building a clean and sustainable economy that can both save our planet and help rebuild the American middle class.“
"IBEW Statement in Support of the Inflation Reduction Act
Lonnie Stephenson, President of the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers (IBEW), issued the following statement in support of the Inflation Reduction Act:
“Today, we celebrate the passage of the Inflation Reduction Act by the House of Representatives. It is an all-around victory — for the climate, the economy and good American union jobs. Paired with the CHIPs Act signed days ago and 2021’s massive infrastructure bill, IBEW members and working families will be reaping the rewards for many years to come.
“The legislation includes strong labor protections as part of more than $300 billion in federal tax credits for clean energy infrastructure projects, guaranteeing these carbon-cutting renewable energy developments will create middle-class, family-sustaining career opportunities in every community in the United States.
“It makes historic investments in domestic energy production to fight climate change while bolstering domestic manufacturing and energy independence by weaning the United States from critical imported components.
“Frontline and historically underrepresented communities will not be left behind as the Inflation Reduction Act targets new and expanding opportunities in previously overlooked corners of the country. Such projects include nuclear, wind, solar, EV charging stations, hydrogen, carbon capture, battery storage and installing energy-efficient technology in commercial buildings.
“These investments will create millions of good union jobs thanks to Davis-Bacon prevailing wage requirements and Buy America incentives. This largest-ever climate package will also help reduce the federal deficit without raising taxes on ordinary Americans.
“We anticipate the signature of President Biden and look forward to the law’s pursuit of a carbon-free, energy-independent future built with union jobs that expand the middle class and American prosperity.”
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Who is John Galt?
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Re: Time to end labor unions
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12/08/22 01:53 PM
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Touchy subject. Unions have done a lot of good in the past, but little to no good lately, mostly greed-motivated bad. The price of just about everything is higher because union workers are paid more for less work than non-union workers, and in the worst cases, things happen like this: My son was a Union member when he ran for state representative, and the union he belonged to gave all their campaign money (yes, his money) to his opponent, who was not a member of any union but was a democrat. Unions fund democrats because that's what they do, even when the impact on their workers, both individually and collectively is a negative to the rank and file.
Complicated situation and there are no easy answers. When I was in the Steelworkers Union,,I was our shop union steward.I negotiated our contracts.High prices of goods,,and companies moving off shore,,have almost nothing to do with union wages.In fact,,these day most non union workers earn close to what union workers do,,if not more.The main reasons for high prices and off shoring is Government regulations on the companies,,along with high tax rates on them.Government regulatios is why companies jump state to state,,or out of the country all together.
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Re: Time to end labor unions
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Unions are the democrats largest supporter. Nothing else, money included would make me support one.
There comes a point liberalism has gone too far, we're past that point.
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Re: Time to end labor unions
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I think it's wrong for any employee to tell any company what wages or benefits they have to offer. Um "they" dont have to offer anything, but they wont have workers in that case. Its called collective bargaining for a reason and has done a lot of good through and through. I will always hold that the union bosses ruined what was the old union way. For the people who dont understand why unions even private sector unions support democrats. Its easy, republicans are anti union, democrats arent, which means when the guy killing himself at the steel mill is getting paid more money to help his family......they arent going to vote to give themselves less money and less benefits. Thats just dumb and nobody would do that, and if you would go do it tomorrow. Pensions also arent a scam, again union bosses have made bad moves. Members pay into the pension, the company pays into the pension. The union hires a pension fund manager to put it into stocks to increase the value. Workers retire, draw from the pension, new workers join, contribute to the fund, the company continues going and contributes to the fund and life is good. Its not rocket science, if the company goes under, thats when bad problems happen.
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Re: Time to end labor unions
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I think it's wrong for any employee to tell any company what wages or benefits they have to offer. Um "they" dont have to offer anything, but they wont have workers in that case. Its called collective bargaining for a reason and has done a lot of good through and through. I will always hold that the union bosses ruined what was the old union way. For the people who dont understand why unions even private sector unions support democrats. Its easy, republicans are anti union, democrats arent, which means when the guy killing himself at the steel mill is getting paid more money to help his family......they arent going to vote to give themselves less money and less benefits. Thats just dumb and nobody would do that, and if you would go do it tomorrow. Pensions also arent a scam, again union bosses have made bad moves. Members pay into the pension, the company pays into the pension. The union hires a pension fund manager to put it into stocks to increase the value. Workers retire, draw from the pension, new workers join, contribute to the fund, the company continues going and contributes to the fund and life is good. Its not rocket science, if the company goes under, thats when bad problems happen. Unions make people lazy, and back them on it. Like Danny, my family are truckers, At one time we had 9. Some drivers absolutely refused to haul into any union shops, because their employees didn't care if we got unloaded or not. Completely different story to haul into a non union shop.
There comes a point liberalism has gone too far, we're past that point.
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Re: Time to end labor unions
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Unions are the democrats largest supporter. Nothing else, money included would make me support one. Looks like,,thanks to Biden,,your about to support one weather you like it or not.
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Re: Time to end labor unions
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12/08/22 02:22 PM
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Touchy subject. Unions have done a lot of good in the past, but little to no good lately, mostly greed-motivated bad. The price of just about everything is higher because union workers are paid more for less work than non-union workers, and in the worst cases, things happen like this: My son was a Union member when he ran for state representative, and the union he belonged to gave all their campaign money (yes, his money) to his opponent, who was not a member of any union but was a democrat. Unions fund democrats because that's what they do, even when the impact on their workers, both individually and collectively is a negative to the rank and file.
Complicated situation and there are no easy answers. When I was in the Steelworkers Union,,I was our shop union steward.I negotiated our contracts.High prices of goods,,and companies moving off shore,,have almost nothing to do with union wages.In fact,,these day most non union workers earn close to what union workers do,,if not more.The main reasons for high prices and off shoring is Government regulations on the companies,,along with high tax rates on them.Government regulatios is why companies jump state to state,,or out of the country all together. Not sure what any of that has to do with what I said. Higher wages equals higher prices to the consumer. You can't explain that away by talking about offshore. To say that union wages are comparable to non-union wages is complete ignorance if you really believe that. Unless you take out the union dues, which the unions turn around and use to take away the things the union workers want, such as their 2nd amendment rights. Come on man, when any shop tries to unionize the first thing the union says is, "your wages are going to go up"
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Re: Time to end labor unions
[Re: danny clifton]
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12/08/22 02:25 PM
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unions have their place dad was a Teamster and it helped him when he got hurt but he would also be the first to tell you they had some real faults.
but government robbing the public coffers to bail out a private entity is strait up unconstitutional.
America only has one issue, we have a Responsibility crisis and everything else stems from it.
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Re: Time to end labor unions
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12/08/22 02:28 PM
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unions have their place dad was a Teamster and it helped him when he got hurt but he would also be the first to tell you they had some real faults.
but government robbing the public coffers to bail out a private entity is strait up unconstitutional.
But it is ok for the IBEW to support a candidate that promises them a bunch of government funded jobs if he is elected?
Who is John Galt?
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Re: Time to end labor unions
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Bernie: You said you said the price of just about everything is higher because union workers are paid more for less work than non union workers.I simply explained to you why that is simply NOT true.With your line of thinking,,how do you explain the high cost of goods NOT produced by union workers?When I worked in a Foundry,,it was all Piece work.I poured Helicopter engine blocks.It was a four man pour,,so if one of us slacked off,,it affected the other three guys pay check.The more pieces we made in a week,,the more money we made.There was NO slacking off,,and the place was a sweat shop.I would like to see all the union worker bashers put in a days work in a 120 degree sweat shop pouring molten metal all day long.You folks that paint all union workers with the LAZY WORKER brush realy kill me.
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Re: Time to end labor unions
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It may kill ya, but I'll guarantee it's true.
Drivers never even had to ask if it was a union shop or not, one trip and they knew.
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Re: Time to end labor unions
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PF I have worked union as well as private sector. I was pointing out that the union boast of they created the 40 hour work week was untrue as are a lot of their other claims. I witnessed their bully tactics that kept losers employed and were nothing but millstones to the company and in the long run the employees as well.
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