Re: Time to end labor unions
[Re: danny clifton]
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12/08/22 05:10 PM
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I have spent a lot of time in Windy. Never did like it. First trip there I was on the Dan Ryan. Had a load going up to Beer City. Seen a sign that said local trucks exit. Since i wasn't getting off in windy I flipped right on out to the express lanes. A real friendly bear explained that sign meant local traffic and trucks. Me and my cabover corn binder with the shiney hiney were not welcome in those lanes.
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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Re: Time to end labor unions
[Re: danny clifton]
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12/08/22 06:05 PM
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Providence, I get it . You feel ashamed that you continue to support communism with your union dues. At least that’s voluntary. You can quit the union. My taxes go to your pension regardless that I must by law pay them. Swings and we'll foul ball. You got a piece if it at least a partial truth to that statement. Yes I don't like unions blindly push and support democrats. But that the only part that is close. I will always chose a union job over non-union. Pay, benefits, and conditions are always better in a union shop. So you think this is going to all union pensions to everyone in the country? If so reread it and if you still think so have some else read and explain it to you. My pension is fully funded and always has been. No bail out needed.
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Re: Time to end labor unions
[Re: Woodsloafer72]
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12/08/22 06:10 PM
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Labor unions were founded by communists. It was an attempt to turn the US into a socialist state like the Soviet Union. While overall the plan was a flop, the Communist Party USA did succeed in building labor unions. They just never got the majority of workers to go along with full blown communism. Where did you ever read that? Unions were born and raised in the state of New York because then "illegal immigrants" from Europe were being treated just like slaves. After enough were killed, they all ganged up and formed a union of workers to protest against the unfair treatment, labor conditions and constant intimidation tactics. It was a really big deal because all of the raw material factories were in the North, processing the slave labor products to sell off to different countries. Unions are the direct result of management not doing the right thing in the first place. My brother was the warehouse manager for the largest food distribution company in the USA. I know full well that not every union worker is a rockstar, but its not like non union workers have some immaculate track record of working hard. That is unless we are talking about the slaves, they worked very hard and are one of the only examples of a group of people outperforming the entire country hard work wise. My grandfather was a powerful and ethical Teamsters leader who unfortunately was booted by none other than Jimmy Hoffa and his corrrupt tricks. Had my grandfather lived longer, he likely would have been President of the Teamsters, grandpa Bill died in 1973, Hoffa in 75. No union member I have ever known outside of the wannabe trashcan teachers union has ever supported forced union membership. Union members can be fired easily, the difference is that employers have to go through a fair process for the union members. If you tell a union rep as a manager that one of his union workers is going on a performance plan, everybodys butthole puckers because they know they are getting close to being fired if they dont change up their behavior. 90% of union workers would much rather support republicans, but the pure simple fact is that republicans have never supported unions. Union bosses make me angrier than a lot of other executive officers of different companies because they truly know they can do whatever they want with so little reprecussions. To argue against pensions is just silly man, listen the stock market crash of 2008 should have changed every normal average persons opinion on that. Yeah does it suck to not have a say where tax dollars go? Absolutely, but by god I would rather it go to my fellow Americans who by not fault of their own may not get return on a system they paid into their entire working life. Just remember that the USGOV wastes far more money on foreign countries than could EVER be spent here on welfare, pension funds, and any other american citizen benefit combined. At the very least you can say that you helped your neighbor instesd of Ukraine, instead of gender studies in Venuzuala, Peru and all the taxpayer dollars that helped the Taliban.
Last edited by MattLA; 12/09/22 08:46 AM. Reason: hoffa correction
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Re: Time to end labor unions
[Re: BernieB.]
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12/08/22 06:17 PM
12/08/22 06:17 PM
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Union dues don’t go to political campaigns. This literally gets hashed out every time we meet with our union rep, none of us on the crews here Vote Democrat either. Then where does the millions they donate come from if it's not from dues? What other sources of income do they have? How do they separate the dues out from the campaign funds donated? I'm not being contrary here, I just want to learn how this works. I know for a fact that when my son was running for office, his opponent got money from the unions. And he's not anti-union by any stretch, he was a member of a Union at the time. (Still is, just a different union.) ![[Linked Image]](https://trapperman.com/forum/attachments/usergals/2022/12/full-39151-160029-11661016_c5bd_4441_b341_ce76b9885af3.jpeg) I’m far from die hard union man. I see lazy greedy guys crying for more money and I’m usually trying to tell them something sensible like “what do we bring to the table to earn this extra money? Because it can’t just be because I want more money”. I also see greedy managers who miraculously get huge bonuses while the labor guys need to tighten up their belts for the sake of the company. Also rubs me the wrong way My point. There are greedy people everywhere, top to bottom, and I can’t stand it but can’t do anything about it personally besides try not to be greedy myself and work my butt off. I see union membership as a self defense weapon. Nobody on here would give up their home defense gun because they trust the government is going to protect them. Why should workers give up a defense resource and blindly trust that the bosses are going to take care of them? The big wigs are going to take care of themselves. Also this is why it is always asked about where the political money comes from because seriously not a person I work with votes democrat. Im not willing to die on the union hill at all, I have some serious problems then, like with the bailout stuff above and just general expectation of always wanting more, so don’t come at me like I’m jimmy hoffa. Just putting my .02 in.
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Re: Time to end labor unions
[Re: danny clifton]
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12/08/22 06:26 PM
12/08/22 06:26 PM
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I was never told who to vote for when I was Union.it was well known that Unions support those that support them.In the North that was the Left. I let my union bosses know unequivically that I was Conservative because of my lifestyle(trapper making part of my income from my chosen lifestyle out on the land)And I voted Conservative because they supported me and my Lifestyle. They had no problem with that.Nor could they because plenty in the union were trappers and hunters and voted C. And I can say our Union worked closely with the Company for the good of both the workers and the Company=give and take on both sides.It was never in the Unions intrest to bankrupt the Company-Quite the opposite actually.As far as I remember we had 2 strike mandates in the 36 years I worked there,and one did not result in a stoppage of work,and one did but only for 2 or 3 days,as my memory serves. The Union and the Company actually worked together to create the nuisance Beaver control Positions and seniority list.
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Re: Time to end labor unions
[Re: MattLA]
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12/08/22 06:31 PM
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Labor unions were founded by communists. It was an attempt to turn the US into a socialist state like the Soviet Union. While overall the plan was a flop, the Communist Party USA did succeed in building labor unions. They just never got the majority of workers to go along with full blown communism. Where did you ever read that? Unions were born and raised in the state of New York because then "illegal immigrants" from Europe were being treated just like slaves. After enough were killed, they all ganged up and formed a union of workers to protest against the unfair treatment, labor conditions and constant intimidation tactics. It was a really big deal because all of the raw material factories were in the North, processing the slave labor products to sell off to different countries. Unions are the direct result of management not doing the right thing in the first place. My brother was the warehouse manager for the largest food distribution company in the USA. I know full well that not every union worker is a rockstar, but its not like non union workers have some immaculate track record of working hard. That is unless we are talking about the slaves, they worked very hard and are one of the only examples of a group of people outperforming the entire country hard work wise. My grandfather was a powerful and ethical Teamsters leader who unfortunately was booted by none other than Jimmy Hoffa and his corrrupt tricks. Had my grandfather lived longer, he likely would have been President of the Teamsters, both Hoffa and grandpa Bill died in 1973. No union member I have ever known outside of the wannabe trashcan teachers union has ever supported forced union membership. Union members can be fired easily, the difference is that employers have to go through a fair process for the union members. If you tell a union rep as a manager that one of his union workers is going on a performance plan, everybodys butthole puckers because they know they are getting close to being fired if they dont change up their behavior. 90% of union workers would much rather support republicans, but the pure simple fact is that republicans have never supported unions. Union bosses make me angrier than a lot of other executive officers of different companies because they truly know they can do whatever they want with so little reprecussions. To argue against pensions is just silly man, listen the stock market crash of 2008 should have changed every normal average persons opinion on that. Yeah does it suck to not have a say where tax dollars go? Absolutely, but by god I would rather it go to my fellow Americans who by not fault of their own may not get return on a system they paid into their entire working life. Just remember that the USGOV wastes far more money on foreign countries than could EVER be spent here on welfare, pension funds, and any other american citizen benefit combined. At the very least you can say that you helped your neighbor instesd of Ukraine, instead of gender studies in Venuzuala, Peru and all the taxpayer dollars that helped the Taliban. Why were they here if they were illegal?
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Re: Time to end labor unions
[Re: Boco]
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12/08/22 07:04 PM
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I was never told who to vote for when I was Union.it was well known that Unions support those that support them.In the North that was the Left. I let my union bosses know unequivically that I was Conservative because of my lifestyle(trapper making part of my income from my chosen lifestyle out on the land)And I voted Conservative because they supported me and my Lifestyle. They had no problem with that.Nor could they because plenty in the union were trappers and hunters and voted C. And I can say our Union worked closely with the Company for the good of both the workers and the Company=give and take on both sides.It was never in the Unions intrest to bankrupt the Company-Quite the opposite actually.As far as I remember we had 2 strike mandates in the 36 years I worked there,and one did not result in a stoppage of work,and one did but only for 2 or 3 days,as my memory serves. The Union and the Company actually worked together to create the nuisance Beaver control Positions and seniority list. My situation was very similar Boco.We knew if we weren't making the company money,,they weren't going to dish it out.Also the company knew if they showed they were willing to share a bit,,we would be willing to earn it.At the end of the day,,both the company and the workers were there to make money,,and fighting each other was not going to accomplish that.The union also knew,,any P.A.C. (political action committee) paperwork that came to my house,,was going in the wood stove.
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Re: Time to end labor unions
[Re: Blaine County]
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12/08/22 07:27 PM
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A bunch of commie union members coming out of the Tman woodwork. Most of them claim to be conservatives. Yeah right.
Hooray for capitalism!
so just because i belong to a union im a commie? it has no bearing on my core beliefs OR how i vote. i work a second job thats non union also, if all union people are slothful & lazy as others have described, why would i do that? internet forums are like c.b radios, you can run your mouth at someone & slither away like a snake.
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Re: Time to end labor unions
[Re: rex123]
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12/08/22 07:56 PM
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It doesn't matter your personal thoughts or how you vote the bottom line is your union dues are used to elect and support liberals and what they stand for. Your money is used to support gay marriage, abortions etc. You don't know how dues or unions work do you. My dues don't go to democrats. The union has a political action committee (PAC) and they raise money for them and give them a platform when they come to town. When I hires in 17 years ago there was a pressure tactic and at least donate $5 a week to it given to my group hiring in. Takes a few weeks to get that to no longer come out of your check once you find the right HR person to get ahold of. They may have got $20 from me that way over 17 years. I promise you have given more to them through the business you shop at and products you buy without even knowing it than I have in my life.
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Re: Time to end labor unions
[Re: rex123]
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12/08/22 08:00 PM
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It doesn't matter your personal thoughts or how you vote the bottom line is your union dues are used to elect and support liberals and what they stand for. Your money is used to support gay marriage, abortions etc. Same as yours.Where does all the welfare money come from.And free stuff for illegal aliens?Comes from YOU.
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Re: Time to end labor unions
[Re: nh toe pincher]
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12/08/22 08:05 PM
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A bunch of commie union members coming out of the Tman woodwork. Most of them claim to be conservatives. Yeah right.
Hooray for capitalism!
so just because i belong to a union im a commie? it has no bearing on my core beliefs OR how i vote. i work a second job thats non union also, if all union people are slothful & lazy as others have described, why would i do that? internet forums are like c.b radios, you can run your mouth at someone & slither away like a snake. Yes. You and the unions are an impediment to the free market.
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Re: Time to end labor unions
[Re: danny clifton]
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12/08/22 08:07 PM
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"It is unlawful for a labor union to take money from your paycheck for contributions to a federal PAC or for the federal PAC to accept such contributions without your written authorization. Recently, the Federal Election Commission has audited some well-known national union PACs to see if they had written authorizations from employees for the contributions the PACs were receiving. The results were astonishing. One national union PAC, according to the FEC audit, could not produce written authorizations for 93% of PAC contributions the FEC examined. Another national union PAC was unable to show authorizations for at least 67% of the contributions the FEC examined. This suggests a widespread problem: union PACs are making political contributions to federal candidates with employees’ money taken without their written authorizations."
"Although it is illegal for a labor union to take money without your authorization for a federal PAC or to contribute money from dues directly to a federal candidate, a labor union may use the dues money of members to engage in a host of other political activities ” such as non-partisan get-out-the-vote drives, political “education” campaigns directed only at members and their families, issue campaigns, lobbying, PAC administration costs, etc."
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Re: Time to end labor unions
[Re: BernieB.]
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12/08/22 08:09 PM
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Bernie: You said you said the price of just about everything is higher because union workers are paid more for less work than non union workers.I simply explained to you why that is simply NOT true.With your line of thinking,,how do you explain the high cost of goods NOT produced by union workers?When I worked in a Foundry,,it was all Piece work.I poured Helicopter engine blocks.It was a four man pour,,so if one of us slacked off,,it affected the other three guys pay check.The more pieces we made in a week,,the more money we made.There was NO slacking off,,and the place was a sweat shop.I would like to see all the union worker bashers put in a days work in a 120 degree sweat shop pouring molten metal all day long.You folks that paint all union workers with the LAZY WORKER brush realy kill me. There you go again accusing me of something I did not say, I never said ANYTHING about lazy workers. There's obviously no reasoning with you on this issue if you are going to deny something that is inherently true, that higher wages translates into higher costs. If you really don't think that's true there's not much use trying to have a rational conversation. I am probly one of the most reasonable guys you would ever meet.Heck,,I even compliment Boco once in a while.  Also,,I think your a great guy,,and LOVE all your videos and watch them all.But for you to say "union workers are paid more for less work than non union workers" is simply nonsense.
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