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Re: Time to end labor unions [Re: danny clifton] #7738345
12/08/22 08:13 PM
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Here are the top 20 labor PAC contributors to candidates in the 2020 election so far, and the political breakdown for where those dollars went — and it's not even close.

No. 1: Sheet Metal, Air, Rail & Transportation Union
● Total amount: $1,633,150
● % to Dems: 91%
● % to GOP: 9%

No. 2: National Air Traffic Controllers Assn
● Total amount: $1,444,350
● % to Dems: 67%
● % to GOP: 33%

No. 3: Operating Engineers Union
● Total amount: $1,395,000
● % to Dems: 83%
● % to GOP: 17%

No. 4: American Federation of Teachers
● Total amount: $1,122,250
● % to Dems: 100%
● % to GOP: 0%

No. 5: International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers
● Total amount: $1,103,000
● % to Dems: 96%
● % to GOP: 4%

No. 6: Carpenters & Joiners Union
● Total amount: $1,091,550
● % to Dems: 81%
● % to GOP: 19%

No. 7: Laborers Union
● Total amount: $1,006,200
● % to Dems: 80%
● % to GOP: 20%

No. 8: American Federation of State/County/Municipal Employees
● Total amount: $982,000
● % to Dems: 99%
● % to GOP: 1%

No. 9: Machinists/Aerospace Workers Union
● Total amount: $970,000
● % to Dems: 96%
● % to GOP: 4%

No. 10: Teamsters Union
● Total amount: $936,055
● % to Dems: 97%
● % to GOP: 3%

No. 11: Plumbers/Pipefitters Union
● Total amount: $865,800
● % to Dems: 80%
● % to GOP: 20%

No. 12: International Assn of Fire Fighters
● Total amount: $777,750
● % to Dems: 79%
● % to GOP: 21%

No. 13: Air Line Pilots Assn
● Total amount: $747,500
● % to Dems: 52%
● % to GOP: 48%

No. 14: Seafarers International Union
● Total amount: $740,750
● % to Dems: 52%
● % to GOP: 47%

No. 15: Painters & Allied Trades Union
● Total amount: $711,600
● % to Dems: 88%
● % to GOP: 10%

No. 16: United Food & Commercial Workers Union
● Total amount: $705,400
● % to Dems: 100%
● % to GOP: 0%

No. 17: National Assn of Letter Carriers
● Total amount: $670,000
● % to Dems: 79%
● % to GOP: 21%

No. 18: Service Employees International Union
● Total amount: $606,500
● % to Dems: 100%
● % to GOP: 0%

No. 19: UNITE HERE
● Total amount: $507,678
● % to Dems: 94%
● % to GOP: 6%

No. 20: National Education Assn
● Total amount: $500,350
● % to Dems: 97%
● % to GOP: 3%


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Re: Time to end labor unions [Re: danny clifton] #7738347
12/08/22 08:16 PM
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Call it for what it is, a money laundering scheme.

Taxpayer money to the union, union money to the democrat, money in democrat pocket.

And a democrat middleman siphoning money at every transactional step.


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Re: Time to end labor unions [Re: MattLA] #7738352
12/08/22 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by MattLA
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Labor unions were founded by communists. It was an attempt to turn the US into a socialist state like the Soviet Union. While overall the plan was a flop, the Communist Party USA did succeed in building labor unions. They just never got the majority of workers to go along with full blown communism.


Where did you ever read that? Unions were born and raised in the state of New York because then "illegal immigrants" from Europe were being treated just like slaves. After enough were killed, they all ganged up and formed a union of workers to protest against the unfair treatment, labor conditions and constant intimidation tactics. It was a really big deal because all of the raw material factories were in the North, processing the slave labor products to sell off to different countries.

Unions are the direct result of management not doing the right thing in the first place.

My brother was the warehouse manager for the largest food distribution company in the USA. I know full well that not every union worker is a rockstar, but its not like non union workers have some immaculate track record of working hard. That is unless we are talking about the slaves, they worked very hard and are one of the only examples of a group of people outperforming the entire country hard work wise.

My grandfather was a powerful and ethical Teamsters leader who unfortunately was booted by none other than Jimmy Hoffa and his corrrupt tricks. Had my grandfather lived longer, he likely would have been President of the Teamsters, both Hoffa and grandpa Bill died in 1973. No union member I have ever known outside of the wannabe trashcan teachers union has ever supported forced union membership. Union members can be fired easily, the difference is that employers have to go through a fair process for the union members. If you tell a union rep as a manager that one of his union workers is going on a performance plan, everybodys butthole puckers because they know they are getting close to being fired if they dont change up their behavior.

90% of union workers would much rather support republicans, but the pure simple fact is that republicans have never supported unions. Union bosses make me angrier than a lot of other executive officers of different companies because they truly know they can do whatever they want with so little reprecussions. To argue against pensions is just silly man, listen the stock market crash of 2008 should have changed every normal average persons opinion on that. Yeah does it suck to not have a say where tax dollars go? Absolutely, but by god I would rather it go to my fellow Americans who by not fault of their own may not get return on a system they paid into their entire working life. Just remember that the USGOV wastes far more money on foreign countries than could EVER be spent here on welfare, pension funds, and any other american citizen benefit combined. At the very least you can say that you helped your neighbor instesd of Ukraine, instead of gender studies in Venuzuala, Peru and all the taxpayer dollars that helped the Taliban.

It was something I remembered reading a number of years ago. Where and what I don't remember. A quick gurgle search and wicked pedia backed it up. I realize Wikipedia isn't the best resource.

Could you tell me any resources to look up about the early New York unions? I would be interested in reading more about them.

Re: Time to end labor unions [Re: Drifter] #7738353
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Originally Posted by Drifter
PF I have worked union as well as private sector. I was pointing out that the union boast of they created the 40 hour work week was untrue as are a lot of their other claims. I witnessed their bully tactics that kept losers employed and were nothing but millstones to the company and in the long run the employees as well.



You witnessed union bully tacticts? LOL..you have no idea.We had one company where the union was on strike.The company hired some chick to call the union guys homes,,and ask for him when the wife answered..insinuating an affair,,and trying to cause discord in the homes.How low is that? Ive seen it all.

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Re: Time to end labor unions [Re: danny clifton] #7738360
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I heard a story I believe about a maintainer being dynamited in MO over union nonsense


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Re: Time to end labor unions [Re: danny clifton] #7738366
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
I heard a story I believe about a maintainer being dynamited in MO over union nonsense

I have seen a LOT of non ethical BS from BOTH sides,,believe me.


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Re: Time to end labor unions [Re: danny clifton] #7738394
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it never made sense to me why unions support big government regulation...don't they see they are cutting their own throats (membership/dues-wise) by having worker "protections" given to EVERYONE by .gov???

union membership has been falling, hasn't it?

Re: Time to end labor unions [Re: danny clifton] #7738398
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I for one am a union worker, I'm in heavy highway work. My pension is solid not like the teamsters. They were in trouble years ago and now just a short time ago they put the son of the man that hurt them in the past as there head honcho and added the Canadian part of teamsters the pension started sinking again history repeats itself

Now with my work the man that had mean tweets had so much lork going for the trade unions it was crazy then the last two year the jobs have slowed down money tightening up with humpty Dumpty in there.

If anyone is around Akron Ohio u see all the work that was funded by the mean tweeting man this guy ain't don #$&@ for the roads and bridges he killed 60000+ jobs his first he in office he no good. U take away the higher paying jobs and u shall see a bad economy it takes all kinds of wages to make this country go around. Stop and just think about it

Re: Time to end labor unions [Re: Blaine County] #7738401
12/08/22 08:58 PM
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i can assure you blain i aint no commie. the goal of any employee should be to do an honest days work for a fair wage, and secure retirement, after all, you'll be worn out by then. once i retire i can do more lucrative things like coyote trapping crazy

Re: Time to end labor unions [Re: white marlin] #7738403
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Originally Posted by white marlin
it never made sense to me why unions support big government regulation...

Any where there is BIG money involved,,you find corruption.ANYWHERE. Even in Religions. Its just a fact.Look at our Government.The union workers,,the rank and file,,do not support Gov.regulation.Its the Big guys in the unions getting their wheels greased.The working stiff just keeps on working trying to provide a decent life for the family.

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Re: Time to end labor unions [Re: danny clifton] #7738406
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No kidding upstate. When I was Still an Union Ironworker we were in powered plant with a non-union contractors. While waiting for more materials to be brought in from the lay down yard I looked down at the nonunuin contractors and was blown away they had a 888 rig tied up installing hand rail. At quitting time thay had only put up 3 sections.

I would have hung it and had it all completed with 3 guys in about 4 hours without the crane. They had 7 guys.

Re: Time to end labor unions [Re: danny clifton] #7738407
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I did a lot of hauling on a big highway job, off and on last couple of years. Hauling for a NON union company outta MO. Emery Sapp and Sons. Good bunch of guys. We got a lot of hours. Built a lot of highway. Hwy 169 between Garnett KS and Chanute KS. Got paid good money.


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Re: Time to end labor unions [Re: upstateNY] #7738408
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Originally Posted by upstateNY
Originally Posted by white marlin
it never made sense to me why unions support big government regulation...

Any where there is BIG money involved,,you find corruption.ANYWHERE. Even in Religions. Its just a fact.Look at our Government.The union workers,,the rank and file,,do not support Gov.regulation.Its the Big guys in the unions getting their wheels greased.The working stiff just keeps on working trying to provide a decent life for the family.


1. you ignored everything ELSE (the main point!) in that post

2. why don't the working stiffs (rank and file) vote the Big Guys OUT, so they would have true representation???

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Re: Time to end labor unions [Re: danny clifton] #7738414
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White Marlin: Did you vote for Biden? Do you realy think a vegetable hiding in his basement during the whole deal actually got more votes than any president in all our history EVER? Same thing goes for voting for a LOT of things.Bash the Unions all you want.I probly will even agree with you on a lot of it.But don't bash the workers.They are trying to make a living like everyone else.

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Re: Time to end labor unions [Re: danny clifton] #7738425
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Pretty sure I did mention I DO NOT agree with the Gov. bail out using OUR tax dollars. smile


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Re: Time to end labor unions [Re: warrior] #7738442
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Originally Posted by warrior
Call it for what it is, a money laundering scheme.

Taxpayer money to the union, union money to the democrat, money in democrat pocket.

And a democrat middleman siphoning money at every transactional step.


Are you saying the Brothers at the IBEW are going to donate some of their green energy windfall back to the politicians that created those electrical jobs that pay Davis- Bacon wages? I wonder if those politicians will then pass another law to use taxpayer funds for more electrical work that electric consumers should be paying for that don't require Davis- Bacon wages? smile


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Re: Time to end labor unions [Re: Flatfoot] #7738456
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Unions are a byproduct of management


Unions are byproduct of the government sticking their nose in private business and interrupting true capitalism.

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Originally Posted by Boco
Unions are good even when there is no Union.
The Mine where my son works had a push going on, a couple years ago, by some workers, to unionize.
My Son was against it.They get many benefits from the company already same as what unionized companys in the same biz get.
When the push was on to unionize the mine,The mine offered a substantial increase in the monthly production bonuses they pay.
The push to unionize failed.
But the fact the union push was on resulted in a large monetary gain for all the workers.
Unions are good.

agreed if we didn't have unions to fight for higher wages better working conditions people that are not in unions would make nowhere what they make if it wasn't for unions pushing for higher wages.these companies/factories don't give a rats a-- about there employees its all about greed

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My coworker is the Union President of our local. He’ll admit he doesn’t agree at all with ANYTHING going on with this administration and will admit the Unions have lost their way. He’ll also admit the Unions were stronger under a Republican than they were a Democrat.
I’ve heard it said Union money goes to Democrats and yes some does. But local Union members check a box whether they want to contribute or not, he said he hasn’t has anyone sign up that donates to the Democrats. He fights more against upper Union officials than he does the company.
I’ll mention NAFTA…a Democrat signed into law and jobs started heading overseas.
The “purpose” of the Unions was to protect the American worker and create safe working conditions and comparable wages and most importantly to provide jobs for Americans. Unions of old were needed and provided work. The Democrats have ruined that, but yet the Unions still back them. They even want to locals to put out “who” to vote for…he told everyone to vote their conscience and remember what their 401K looked like while Trump was in office prior to the previous administration, lol. There’s a few that are staunch “Union members” and would vote for the Devil himself if he ran on the democrat ticket. But there are VERY few here. 98% have common sense and are only in the Union for what it was initially designed, safe working conditions and fair pay and adding jobs.

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Originally Posted by houndone
Originally Posted by Boco
Unions are good even when there is no Union.
The Mine where my son works had a push going on, a couple years ago, by some workers, to unionize.
My Son was against it.They get many benefits from the company already same as what unionized companys in the same biz get.
When the push was on to unionize the mine,The mine offered a substantial increase in the monthly production bonuses they pay.
The push to unionize failed.
But the fact the union push was on resulted in a large monetary gain for all the workers.
Unions are good.

agreed if we didn't have unions to fight for higher wages better working conditions people that are not in unions would make nowhere what they make if it wasn't for unions pushing for higher wages.these companies/factories don't give a rats a-- about there employees its all about greed


Who is making people work these dangerous low wage jobs you all keep speaking of?


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