You pay to support refuse to work welfare druggies food,heat,air conditioning,medical and pay the same for illegal aliens.Why would you do that?

Exactly, the Union didn't buy y'all hams, you all bought yourselves hams. I can speak of at least 4 plants, one is where I was district steward, chief shop steward, bargaining committee chair, president of the CAP council and so on. 3 out of the 4 plants are closed now, imo, because the Union wouldn't work with the Company.

I was as Union as they get but I realized that both we the Union members and the Company we're there to make a living and the Company didn't owe me a atta boy. I was there to do a good days work, for a good days pay.

Bernie, guess unions are all different. Most all of our higher ups were once technicians, which means they were in the Union. Never heard of not advancing to management because someone was in the Union, lol. When I hired on, I was informed by the company they prefer all new hires to join. I’ve got a buddy that hired on and kept getting surplussed until they finally said we have a management position so he took it. He’s now advanced from there. I’ve been asked to take a management position and declined every time. Management doesn’t make enough money, lacks benefits, and retirement sucks. Heck we just had a MASS exodus of managers the beginning of this year due to the company cutting their retirement if they were on payroll past Jan 1, 2022. Y’all must have some weird unions up there.

Rex, man you got some serious hate, lol. Were you fired and the Union couldn’t save your job? My local does a lot more than “contribute” to the Dems. As I stated when you sign on you validate whether you want to contribute to a particular party. Don’t know of anyone who does.

Our money mainly goes to our local. We help coworkers who’s gone through floods, fires, sickness, and even death. They’ve bought airline tickets for members whose family member have died out of state. They buy Christmas gifts for underprivileged children and have a cookout for them. They have a Thanksgiving meal for members and even a Christmas dinner. They save jobs and even get second chances for folks that actually deserve it. On the other hand I’ve seen them basically show up for folks that aren’t worth a crap and advise them to take whatever the company is giving because they’re lucky they’ve lasted this long.

If you stake your career on the Union here you won’t have much of a career.

I always thought the thank you was the paycheck. I guess the company could thank you for colluding with fellow workers to fix the price of your labor above the free market price.

If you think paying taxes is the same as paying union dues here's your sign. And yes I was yelling because instead of making his point he like a lot of people on here starts with the name calling to make a point which means he doesn't have a point. By the way the eggs were over easy.

Union never bought all that stuff for us.The company did.Thats was just a little extra thank you for you union quality work,,making our company so much money.All we expected was our pay check.BUT,,the the little extra was appreciated,,and it showed in our work.

Your tax money is going to pay for something you don't agree with.I know it hurts,,but youl be alright.Also,,over easy is how I like my eggs.

Yes and the company could of thanked us for paying higher insurance premiums so corporate could get free insurance and not have any co-pays, while the rest of us who were having children were also paying 3500-5k out of pocket for that. Once that document was found by some union members a grievance was written and it was the union who helped the membership get a better plan and better premiums. I don’t think the company was going to do it out of the kindness of there heart. All of our dues money stays with the local until that local ceases to exist then the funds transfer to the international. There have been more Republican Congress stop in at our to help with problems then democrats. The local president also reminds membership what government people have helped us and which ones have not. We do get the flyer from the international telling us to support democrats, but that’s not the views of the locals.

Ever notice all the union workers starting threads in here bashing non union workers? Oh wait,,Ive never seen one of those.

Okay I will try one more time maybe you will get it. I pay my taxes and vote for my guys and hope the money will go for conservative causes but don't really know. You pay your union dues knowing that the money is going to liberal causes. Is that simply enough so some of you can understand? Sorry but I will pick up with this later as I am sure you don't get it.

Where did you get the money to pay for that insurance premium? My guess, the company paycheck? Businesses don't need unions to run a business. A union needs a business to be a union. Who is more important?

That's a ton of BS.You KNOW your tax money is going exactly where I said it was going.Also,,im tired of all our insurance premiums going up,,workers comp premiums,all that,, because of you in experienced accident prone don't care non union workers.I could go on and on with that approach,,but im not like that.

You guys missed the document that says almost every CEO atleast the ones I know, all receive half or more of their compensation in the form of stock which means they have a lower tax rate on their paycheck than you guys do. Normal workers cannot get stock in lieu of a paycheck anymore.....thanks to federal law, don't think it was super beneficial even if it was said to be. Let me tell you guys something, every benefit that is paid out is tax deductible, what that means is that they aren't giving you insurance because they really care, it's because they can increase their profit by reducing the amount of taxes they pay! Even the 401k match is tax deductible, but I'm not casting judgement on the owners that do that. I just want to help raise awareness to my fellow trappers to understand what's happening. You see union members have had those benefits that have only become commonplace in the last 20 years for 30 years before that easily. The only thing that is going away and it's truly tragic and unfortunate is that the company pension has just about gone away, Lockheed Martin was one of the last bastions of it, but it's now a partial pension.

@Dirt, The company def needs the union. When a company ever does that, it's ok, another one will swoop in and take all of their employees and put the old one out of business. Been done a million times and will keep happening.

That's because union workers aren't jealous, and they don't envy non-union workers retirements.

All that's left for the haters is to call union workers "commies", Lol

Oh,,im not just a regular old commie,,I was called an East Coast Yankee Communist in this thread.Hahaaa,,I guess Im worse than the commies from the other coast or the south of the boarder ones.

Lol upstateNY, I'm east of the Mississippi, and have been told here that Kentucky isn't a southern state, so I'm with you brother!

I'd agree they are all different. I spent a career dealing with unions with bunch of diverse companies in facilities all across the country. There can be some substantial differences in union culture between different parts of the country. Worker mentality in the old rust belt or the eastern coal regions seems substantially different than in the more recently industrialized parts of the south. And that in turn makes union politics different. Ive seen unions that were much more local oriented while others are more aligned with their international. Some internationals are highly corrupt and others not.

overall i'd say that i noticed local oriented unions more concerned with the long term health of company especially if theyd witnessed companies closed in the past. to the point that ive seen them point out losers that needed to be booted. from the perspective of higher level mgmt most arent so concerned about wages or unions supporting loser employees as they are concerned about benefit costs, the lack of flexibility that comes with unions or the unknown of outside third parties being involved in outcomes. ive seen many times when a company teamed up with a local union to pressure large insurers to reduce health insurance rates which all works out nice for the company and employees but of course it also means someone somewhere else is paying higher premiums into the insurance pool. and in this day of litigation, many really good non union companies will go thru as much of a process to terminate employees as will be seen in a union setting. unionized settings probably make more money overall but we cant even make a statement that its always true, i know of many plants that were set up with rates and benefits in excess of the union rates they were paying in other states.

You won't because union workers think they have it made. Kind of like democrats , led by the nose to believe in the union , and get screwed in the end.
Last union shop I worked at filed for bankruptcy , you know who pays my retirement now? The government , the union has nothing to do with it.
Makes me sick the union ruined a company , and won't take care of the workers. Kind of reminds me of democrats ! So after many years of working I'm living off government subsides . Still think unions are good for the workers ? Wait until the company you worked for files.
Think about all the workers that vote democrat just because the union tells them to.
You may not , but you're one of the few !

Something else to think about , who bailed out the biggest union in the country when the big 3 needed help ?
Not the union , the tax payers that had nothing to do with it on the most part.

I think you missed my point. Is it right for us on the bottom to have higher premiums so corporate and management have free healthcare with no deductible while us on the bottom have to set up payment plans for dr. Bills and such.