It's become obvious our country as we know it is over and done. Beyond the election integrity, no accountability when the government people break the law, fast and furious, Hillary email server, the steel dossier, and on and on. The beyond belief liberal stuff being pushed.


None of that come close to what I see on display here.

Union vs non union, thermal hunters need regulated becuse they may take some coyotes and trappers won't get them. You chose to live in NY and are horrible for it without even considering if they would be willing to move from their home or the fact up state NY is an outdoorsbman paradise. When people are so dug in they can't even consider the other side and want to act like what's on display here in a primarily down to earth supposed to be like minded freedom loving group. Well from what I see here from this group of people I respect and look up to more than any other group then there is no hope for the rest of the country.

The internet in general creates an environment where people will take their position to the extreme. Take away the computer screen and have the same discussions in person and I think you would see a lot more compromise.

The fat lady has sung...

Swamp,

It's about the calibration of wildlife management opinions and contrasting it against a political corruptness is where I took offense. According to Providence, my wildlife management opinion is worse than government officials being corrupt, Americans getting killed by guns provided to the cartel, a fake targeting packet that indicated that a sitting President was colluding with Russia. You and anybody else can criticize me and question why I think the way I do with wildlife management, but to compare me or my opinions to those things is something that requires a response, especially when I use my real name on a forum. Yes, in "retaliation" I sent a pro trapping email in which I spoke of how important trapping was to me to his Legislature and DNR, if you don't understand context it was an obvious jest about his personal reduction in otter tags.

As far as a silver spoon, let me give you some help. We were dirt poor my entire life and we definitely had the shelter, food and clothing, but not much after that. I left home when I was 17 to live by myself while going to highschool because I failed a grade, working a fulltime job and trying to plan my future. My full time job I got paid 5.15 an hour to serve other people food and deal with people who had first world problems ruling their life. I didn't have enough money to even take care of myself and had to rely on other people to help get me food. I was so low that I ate an entire gallon of mayonnaise because It was what I could afford. One night in the frosty bone chilling slum apartment that I lived in that did not have heating, I had a grandeur vision of another life for myself, one in that I was rich in the things that mattered most to me and set forth a goal, plan and strategy of execution to arrive at that destination. Nothing in my life was given to me and every single thing that I have accomplished has been from hard work, dedication and persistence even in the presence of people like yourself telling me that I didn't know what I was talking about, that I wasn't good enough and that I should just stop while I was ahead. For sure I had some luck but I didn't win the lottery, I didn't just come into some big pot of money, the luck I had was being in the right place, right time and right attitude. It didn't matter what obstacles were in my way, my eyes were on the prize and through all of those things I was fortunate enough to land where I am today, so you can take your silver spoon & stir your own tea with it, cause that dog don't hunt.

Difference of opinion is always warranted and welcome, and if you go through my posts I have always welcomed criticism of my view points even from people who childishly put me on ignore instead of having a conversation about it. If we want to be real honest about some things maybe we should start with why you didn't send me a private message about this? I wont ever let somebody publicly try to drag my name through the mud and act like I can't read it and then try to accuse me of being anti-union when he is being so overly dramatic about the USA ending. The USA hasn't been the country it was intended to be since the radical republicans ruined everything and refused to acknowledge a SCOTUS view point and then have lied about everything since then. With that said, we live in the greatest country in the world along with the best privileges and despite what the white noise says, things are not doom and gloom. I'm on a trapping forum, and I am going to protect, promote and do anything and everything I can to obtain exclusive rights for trappers in the USA. I am all about making deals and allies, but unless it's hogs or high fence game preserves, I wont ever be ok with thermal hunters coming and taking away business for trappers. I'm not sorry for what I said, I stand by every single part of it 1000%.

I can't get past the, "Rise above," and screw us Indiana otter trappers.

Yeah, if he's gonna send a letter send one encouraging them to drop the limit, we are over run with otter here.

Yeah, if he's gonna send a letter send one encouraging them to drop the limit, we are over run with otter here.

That should get a law changed

Hopefully, they don't make it mandatory to eat otter.

Time to go postal.

Ick

That should get a law changed

That should get a law changed