No Profanity *** No Flaming *** No Advertising *** No Anti Trappers ***NO POLITICS
No Non-Target Catches *** No Links to Anti-trapping Sites *** No Avoiding Profanity Filter


Home~Trap Talk~ADC Forum~Trap Shed~Wilderness Trapping~International Trappers~Fur Handling

Auction Forum~Trapper Tips~Links~Gallery~Basic Sets~Convention Calendar~Chat~ Trap Collecting Forum

Trapper's Humor~Strictly Trapping~Fur Buyers Directory~Mugshots~Fur Sale Directory~Wildcrafting~The Pen and Quill

Trapper's Tales~Words From The Past~Legends~Archives~Kids Forum~Lure Formulators Forum~ Fermenter's Forum


~~~ Dobbins' Products Catalog ~~~


Minnesota Trapline Products
Please support our sponsor for the Trappers Talk Page - Minnesota Trapline Products


Print Thread
Hop To
Page 1 of 3 1 2 3
Trapping Tigers, Leopards, bears. #7742654
12/13/22 01:21 PM
12/13/22 01:21 PM
Joined: Jan 2009
Idaho, Lemhi County
G
Gulo Offline OP
"On The Other Hand"
Gulo  Offline OP
"On The Other Hand"
G

Joined: Jan 2009
Idaho, Lemhi County
These photos were taken in Far Eastern Russia almost 30 years ago. Seems like yesterday. I was asked to put up a few pictures of methods and equipment I used for the Siberian Tigers and Far Eastern Leopards. At the same sets, I caught a few Himalayan bears as well (Asiatic black bears), and a few Russian brown bears. Incidental catches were raccoon dogs, red foxes, and Asiatic badgers.


Far Eastern Leopards (or Amur Leopards) are probably the most endangered cat in the world. Different subspecies than the African Leopard.
[Linked Image]


When I arrived in Russia, the only method they allowed was built-on-site live traps. This is a double-ender, with a cage in the middle to house the dogs that were the bait. Had to feed and water the dogs daily, and walk them. With so much human activity, I knew these traps were worthless.
[Linked Image]


I finally got permission from Moscow to use Aldrich foot snares. For leopards, most sets were blind sets in trails. This is before the snares were camo'ed and blended.
[Linked Image]


For the Siberian tigers, we had to develop a capture method for the largest cat in the world. These guys make African lions look kinda puny.
[Linked Image]


Again, the Russian government wouldn't let us use anything but livetraps to start out with. Pretty much worthless.
[Linked Image]


The tigers used scent trees extensively. When we were allowed to use snares, the best places seemed to be at the base of a scent-tree. They were not baited or lured, just the natural anal spraying that the tigers would leave on the undersides of leaning trees.
[Linked Image]


Hope you enjoyed... Jack


Books for sale on Amazon, Barnes & Noble etc.
Poetic Injustice
The Last Hunt
Wild Life
Long Way Home
Fishin' Stories
Re: Trapping Tigers, Leopards, bears. [Re: Gulo] #7742658
12/13/22 01:26 PM
12/13/22 01:26 PM
Joined: Jan 2020
Aliceville, Kansas 45
Yukon John Online content
trapper
Yukon John  Online Content
trapper

Joined: Jan 2020
Aliceville, Kansas 45
What were you catching them for?


Act like a blank, get treated like a blank. Insert your own blank!
Re: Trapping Tigers, Leopards, bears. [Re: Gulo] #7742661
12/13/22 01:30 PM
12/13/22 01:30 PM
Joined: Mar 2011
Montana ,Rocky Mtns.
Sharon Offline
"American Honey"
Sharon  Offline
"American Honey"

Joined: Mar 2011
Montana ,Rocky Mtns.
You brought such improved practicalities to the countries you worked in, Jack.

Those makeshift wood traps look like a tiger would rip out of those like toothpicks. For anyone not familiar with just how large those tigers can get, it is worth a bit of research .

To actually have your hands on those lovely Amur Leopards, a chance most of the human population will never get to enjoy.

I can envision if you could have conducted trapping classes there to others , and how much more successful their work would have been in results.

Penny for your thoughts , in that last shot of you, with that wry smile.

Thank you, Jack for sharing.


http://www.illustrationsinmotion.com/index.html
" A wuff is a wuff, is a wuff. " Jack Whitman
Re: Trapping Tigers, Leopards, bears. [Re: Gulo] #7742663
12/13/22 01:34 PM
12/13/22 01:34 PM
Joined: Mar 2007
McGrath, AK
W
white17 Offline

"General (Mr.Sunshine) Washington"
white17  Offline

"General (Mr.Sunshine) Washington"
W

Joined: Mar 2007
McGrath, AK
Jack, any pix of the blow gun and maybe an explanation of why you went that route?


Mean As Nails
Re: Trapping Tigers, Leopards, bears. [Re: Gulo] #7742664
12/13/22 01:34 PM
12/13/22 01:34 PM
Joined: Dec 2009
The Hill Country of Texas
Leftlane Offline
"HOSS"
Leftlane  Offline
"HOSS"

Joined: Dec 2009
The Hill Country of Texas
Cool stuff!


What"s good for me may not be good for the weak minded.
Captain Gus McCrae- Texas Rangers


Re: Trapping Tigers, Leopards, bears. [Re: Gulo] #7742678
12/13/22 01:44 PM
12/13/22 01:44 PM
Joined: Jul 2017
PA
W
w side rd 151 Offline
trapper
w side rd 151  Offline
trapper
W

Joined: Jul 2017
PA
Imagine trying to sleep at night knowing this was what you where hoping was awaiting you when you ran your trap line in the morning .Even the mountain men trappers in the US where only dealing with some mean grizzly bear and some Native Americans that wanted to scalp them .I would think your sense where always on high alert .while running this type of trap line .

Re: Trapping Tigers, Leopards, bears. [Re: Gulo] #7742681
12/13/22 01:52 PM
12/13/22 01:52 PM
Joined: Feb 2014
Louisiana
Aix sponsa Offline
trapper
Aix sponsa  Offline
trapper

Joined: Feb 2014
Louisiana
Living the dream sir.


Would you mind giving a little background on what they were gaining from capturing these animals? I presume you were doing it for the Russian government or some other agency that wanted data, right?




Those scent trees must have been perfect for what you were doing. While nothing compared to your adventure, I’ve snared a hogs at their rub trees. Rub trees seem to be one of the best places for catching hogs when their behavior and need for such a strong anchor point are considered.



Thank you much for sharing, that was indeed a lifetime adventure

Re: Trapping Tigers, Leopards, bears. [Re: Gulo] #7742702
12/13/22 02:13 PM
12/13/22 02:13 PM
Joined: Sep 2016
MB
J
Jurassic Park Offline
trapper
Jurassic Park  Offline
trapper
J

Joined: Sep 2016
MB
Hey Gulo, what was the tiger population like? Were you catching multiple tigers each day, 1 a week, 1 and done?

Another question of many, was it scary walking in that forest knowing there’s tigers around?


Cold as ice!

Clique non-member
Re: Trapping Tigers, Leopards, bears. [Re: w side rd 151] #7742703
12/13/22 02:14 PM
12/13/22 02:14 PM
Joined: Jan 2009
Idaho, Lemhi County
G
Gulo Offline OP
"On The Other Hand"
Gulo  Offline OP
"On The Other Hand"
G

Joined: Jan 2009
Idaho, Lemhi County
Originally Posted by Yukon John
What were you catching them for?

The animals were fitted with radio-transmitters and released. We were gathering basic ecological information (food habits, home range, population density, etc.).


Originally Posted by Sharon
You brought such improved practicalities to the countries you worked in, Jack.
Penny for your thoughts , in that last shot of you, with that wry smile.

The learning went both ways, Sharon. I gave the Russians a little taste of western technology. They paid me back by teaching me how to be a naturalist. They could read sign like no others. They knew each and every plant, mammal, bird, insect. They taught me to "observe".

And yes, Sharon, that is me a few years ago. Like the beaver hat and the coyote ruff? The Russians teased me incessantly about the hat, but I think every one of them secretly wanted it.

Originally Posted by white17
Jack, any pix of the blow gun and maybe an explanation of why you went that route?

Yeah Ken. I switched over to using a blowgun to deliver the anesthetic simply because it was a "gentler" approach. The big cats and bears hit with a dart gun , heard the gun's report and felt the rather hard hit. They would usually explode in an attempt to escape. With the softer, quiet delivery from a blow gun, they most often wouldn't react at all when they were hit. I've taken to using the blowgun even for wolves,



Originally Posted by w side rd 151
Imagine trying to sleep at night knowing this was what you where hoping was awaiting you when you ran your trap line in the morning .Even the mountain men trappers in the US where only dealing with some mean grizzly bear and some Native Americans that wanted to scalp them .I would think your sense where always on high alert .while running this type of trap line .


Yes, west side, the daily anticipation was exciting. However, the density of target animals was extremely low, so catches were not common. Actually, got a bit tedious at times, because it was so long between captures. I would never characterize it as boring, as the country was ever-so-interesting. Too, in the back of your mind, you were always thinking of the tigers that periodically eat forest workers. Have you read the book "Tiger" by Vaillant? It was written about a rogue tiger in the area I was working in.


Books for sale on Amazon, Barnes & Noble etc.
Poetic Injustice
The Last Hunt
Wild Life
Long Way Home
Fishin' Stories
Re: Trapping Tigers, Leopards, bears. [Re: Gulo] #7742704
12/13/22 02:14 PM
12/13/22 02:14 PM
Joined: Jan 2016
Louisiana
AirportTrapper Offline
trapper
AirportTrapper  Offline
trapper

Joined: Jan 2016
Louisiana
That is awesome!


If it makes a track on this earth , I can catch it.
Re: Trapping Tigers, Leopards, bears. [Re: Gulo] #7742712
12/13/22 02:22 PM
12/13/22 02:22 PM
Joined: Oct 2011
Wheaton Ks
L
lee steinmeyer Offline
trapper
lee steinmeyer  Offline
trapper
L

Joined: Oct 2011
Wheaton Ks
Thanks for that, Jack. Those siberian tigers are one of the most beautiful furred critters in the world. A very big version of a mountain bob!


YOU CAN IGNORE REALITY, BUT YOU CANNOT IGNORE THE CONSEQUENCES OF IGNORING REALITY.

http://www.lptraplinesupply.com
Re: Trapping Tigers, Leopards, bears. [Re: Gulo] #7742715
12/13/22 02:24 PM
12/13/22 02:24 PM
Joined: Jan 2020
Aliceville, Kansas 45
Yukon John Online content
trapper
Yukon John  Online Content
trapper

Joined: Jan 2020
Aliceville, Kansas 45
That's kinda what I figured...thanks for the reply! Awesome adventure!


Act like a blank, get treated like a blank. Insert your own blank!
Re: Trapping Tigers, Leopards, bears. [Re: Gulo] #7742716
12/13/22 02:27 PM
12/13/22 02:27 PM
Joined: Dec 2006
Coldspring Texas
Savell Offline
"Wilbur"
Savell  Offline
"Wilbur"

Joined: Dec 2006
Coldspring Texas
... I’m jealous lol


Insert profound nonsense here
Re: Trapping Tigers, Leopards, bears. [Re: Gulo] #7742721
12/13/22 02:30 PM
12/13/22 02:30 PM
Joined: Mar 2007
McGrath, AK
W
white17 Offline

"General (Mr.Sunshine) Washington"
white17  Offline

"General (Mr.Sunshine) Washington"
W

Joined: Mar 2007
McGrath, AK
Thanks Jack. Were the drugs the same as used here and just as accessible ? Were your US drug permits honored there or did you have to jump through those hoops again over there ?


Mean As Nails
Re: Trapping Tigers, Leopards, bears. [Re: Gulo] #7742725
12/13/22 02:34 PM
12/13/22 02:34 PM
Joined: Nov 2022
PA
H
hickoryridge Offline
trapper
hickoryridge  Offline
trapper
H

Joined: Nov 2022
PA
Outstanding stuff . . thanks for sharing

Re: Trapping Tigers, Leopards, bears. [Re: Gulo] #7742733
12/13/22 02:51 PM
12/13/22 02:51 PM
Joined: Mar 2011
Montana ,Rocky Mtns.
Sharon Offline
"American Honey"
Sharon  Offline
"American Honey"

Joined: Mar 2011
Montana ,Rocky Mtns.
You always look great in fur, Jack.

Yes I noticed your hat and coat ruff right away. Of course your Russian friends were jealous ! They well know the time honored use of fur, beaver also.

I heard a saying from a Russian acquaintance long ago, " There is no such thing as bad weather, just bad clothing ." With that nice accent . They specifically were speaking of fur. They laughed at fake plastic fur .

You fit right in with them , and they were comfortable to tease you cool


http://www.illustrationsinmotion.com/index.html
" A wuff is a wuff, is a wuff. " Jack Whitman
Re: Trapping Tigers, Leopards, bears. [Re: Gulo] #7742736
12/13/22 02:58 PM
12/13/22 02:58 PM
Joined: Dec 2006
Ames, IA
MikeTraps2 Offline
trapper
MikeTraps2  Offline
trapper

Joined: Dec 2006
Ames, IA
I know those Siberian Tigers can go over 700 pounds, a very, very big lion is 500

Gulo those Amur Leopards are gorgeous

I have that book but have not read it yet.

Have you read Dersu - The Trapper? If not I highly recommend it


Far better is it to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure

Theodore Roosevelt
Re: Trapping Tigers, Leopards, bears. [Re: Gulo] #7742747
12/13/22 03:05 PM
12/13/22 03:05 PM
Joined: Dec 2006
Worley, Idaho
M
Machias Offline
trapper
Machias  Offline
trapper
M

Joined: Dec 2006
Worley, Idaho
Amazing creatures and an amazing trapper. Thanks for sharing!!!!


When things are Grim, become the Grim Reaper!
Fred Moyer
Re: Trapping Tigers, Leopards, bears. [Re: Gulo] #7742748
12/13/22 03:06 PM
12/13/22 03:06 PM
Joined: Apr 2014
La.
G
Gator Foot Offline
trapper
Gator Foot  Offline
trapper
G

Joined: Apr 2014
La.
I would say, what a job! But, it’s not a job. It’s an adventure! Totally alsome!!! Thanks for the pictures and info.

Re: Trapping Tigers, Leopards, bears. [Re: Gator Foot] #7742765
12/13/22 03:34 PM
12/13/22 03:34 PM
Joined: Jan 2009
Idaho, Lemhi County
G
Gulo Offline OP
"On The Other Hand"
Gulo  Offline OP
"On The Other Hand"
G

Joined: Jan 2009
Idaho, Lemhi County
Originally Posted by white17
Thanks Jack. Were the drugs the same as used here and just as accessible ? Were your US drug permits honored there or did you have to jump through those hoops again over there ?

For anesthetization, we transported our own drugs over to Russia. The drugs we have on hand for various negative reactions we had to take over as well. Never was much of a hassle. The Russians had access to certain drugs, but they were not something I was familiar with. My certification for drug handling in the US seemed sufficient in Russia.

Originally Posted by MikeTraps2
I know those Siberian Tigers can go over 700 pounds, a very, very big lion is 500

Gulo those Amur Leopards are gorgeous

I have that book but have not read it yet.

Have you read Dersu - The Trapper? If not I highly recommend it

Mike; You need to sit a spell and read Vaillant's book, The Tiger: A true story of Vengeance and Survival. It's very well done in explaining in detail the way of life over there. I thought very accurate. Pretty much everyone in the book, I knew over there.
I've read Arseniev's book many times. Dersu Uzala was a gold (native) from the exact area I was working in. There's even a movie that the Japanese made of Dersu, the Trapper.


Originally Posted by Gator Foot
I would say, what a job! But, it’s not a job. It’s an adventure! Totally alsome!!! Thanks for the pictures and info.

You're right Gator Foot. Pretty much every job I've had for my life, in Idaho, Alaska, Russia, Mongolia, or wherever, has been nothing short of an adventure. However, in Russia there was the added hassles of KGB and Russian Mafia in about everything I did. Life has certainly spoiled me severely!


Books for sale on Amazon, Barnes & Noble etc.
Poetic Injustice
The Last Hunt
Wild Life
Long Way Home
Fishin' Stories
Page 1 of 3 1 2 3
Previous Thread
Index
Next Thread