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Re: Gun question for western guys [Re: Yes sir] #7743098
12/13/22 10:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Yes sir
Originally Posted by Ridge Runner1960
opening morning at 7:45, I took my first buck at a lazer ranged 403 yards, don't always shoot that far but its a good tool to have in your bag. takes a bit of learning and ya need to spend some cash but once you master it, you always have it. I struggled for 26 years to learn the craft but it was worth it.

Not knocking that shot because I wouldn't feel comfortable doing that unless shooting off a very good rest but you can do that with an $800 gun in the old 270 if you have ability to make the shot. A one moa rig is plenty good enough for deer at 400 yards

and that was a close one for what I can do, just finished up the rifle I hope to one day take a whitetail at 1 mile, at present my farthest is .77 mile. my farthest with a 270 is 606 yards.

Re: Gun question for western guys [Re: Wolfdog91] #7743104
12/13/22 10:17 PM
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What bullets are you running for the most part ? Looking into the Berger hybrids as a upgrade from the elds I'm using right now .
Also what's your preferred shot placement at those distances?


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Re: Gun question for western guys [Re: Wolfdog91] #7743106
12/13/22 10:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Wolfdog91
What bullets are you running for the most part ? Looking into the Berger hybrids as a upgrade from the elds I'm using right now .
Also what's your preferred shot placement at those distances?

I run Bergers or accubond LR's, ELD's are just an Amax with a better BC, not a bad bullet as long as the impact velocities are 3200 or less

Re: Gun question for western guys [Re: Wolfdog91] #7743107
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Long live the 270

Re: Gun question for western guys [Re: Wolfdog91] #7743119
12/13/22 10:29 PM
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Some of those guys out west have lose the ways of the old. 30-30 was fine for 70 years, nothing changed, we just got lazy and didn't want to get up, close and personal with the animals. Long live the 1894! I agree with Yes Sir!

Re: Gun question for western guys [Re: Wolfdog91] #7743122
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I build a lot of custom rifles in not so popular cartridges here in Virginia for customers from here. The guys that are having a custom rig built have plenty of rifles already and want something different and something they will squeeze just a little more out of


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Re: Gun question for western guys [Re: MattLA] #7743124
12/13/22 10:32 PM
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Originally Posted by MattLA
Some of those guys out west have lose the ways of the old. 30-30 was fine for 70 years, nothing changed, we just got lazy and didn't want to get up, close and personal with the animals. Long live the 1894! I agree with Yes Sir!

Lol cute


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Re: Gun question for western guys [Re: Wolfdog91] #7743133
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Slow down that ELD to 2700-2900 and itís a fantastic hunting bullet. I shoot the 143 grain, 178 grain, and 200 grain in 3 calibers, all ELDx . Accurate and great internal damage

But Iím not from the West so guess it doesnít count crazy

Re: Gun question for western guys [Re: MattLA] #7743151
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Originally Posted by MattLA
Some of those guys out west have lose the ways of the old. 30-30 was fine for 70 years, nothing changed, we just got lazy and didn't want to get up, close and personal with the animals. Long live the 1894! I agree with Yes Sir!


There are calling contests every weekend all winter out here, Iíd love to see you consistently ďget up close and personalĒ with your 30-30 and show us how itís done. Itís not a matter of getting lazy, but ballistically the 30-30 is one of the worst centerfire calibers you could choose for predators.

Re: Gun question for western guys [Re: JoMiBru] #7743152
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Originally Posted by JoMiBru
Slow down that ELD to 2700-2900 and itís a fantastic hunting bullet. I shoot the 143 grain, 178 grain, and 200 grain in 3 calibers, all ELDx . Accurate and great internal damage

But Iím not from the West so guess it doesnít count crazy

laugh lol no good to hear. Reckon I'll keep using them then


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Re: Gun question for western guys [Re: Wolfdog91] #7743183
12/13/22 11:32 PM
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Iíve been shooting ďlong rangeĒ for 25 years.

I enjoy it.

Is it hunting? Not in my opinion.

But, I donít consider shooting big game with a modern rifle at any distance ďhuntingĒ. Just my opinion. I like my big game close and with a 500 grain stick run through em.

I shoot coyotes at long range purely out of necessity. With every chump with a foxpro and a thermal blaring away 24 hours a day from November on, getting coyotes ďcloseĒ gets a mite tough by Christmas time. But even than, a true ďlong rangeĒ shot is pretty rare, I can almost always get a little closer with some thought. And, killing coyotes for me isnít recreating. And sometimes can be downright serious business.

You can buy all the toys and gizmos, but thereís no substitute for rounds down range in field conditions. You canít buy that.

I run custom guns because the off the shelf factory stuff is a crap shoot, and a reliable high end factory gun costs as much as a custom. A custom rig Iím getting exactly what I want.

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Re: Gun question for western guys [Re: Wolfdog91] #7743191
12/13/22 11:38 PM
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Iíll date myself a little.

I was shooting long range back when reticles and turrets didnít match and you had to do conversions!!!

Lol

Re: Gun question for western guys [Re: Wolfdog91] #7743192
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I got a 30-30. I use it every year to butcher a beef. One of the only guns I got without a scope. Lol
I have a friend that loves to long distance shoot. Spends lots of money on his guns and loads and shoots alot. He makes fun of me all the time. I can't shoot long distance at least not very accurately. I don't practice. My 223 zero dead on at 125 yards. I hardly ever miss anything I shoot under 200 yard. When I'm out trapping I don't shoot unless I'm gonna kill it. Why scare them off.
So here a story. My buddy brings out his fancy I don't even know what. Shooting targets at 500 yards turret scope dials up to 20 power or something. Yes it's expensive and cool. We are driving across my pasture back to the house. Coyote jumps up and crosses right in front of truck at a lope. He all excited almost falls out if pickup... And misses. I shot it with my trusty 223. Stepped it off. 47 steps. So under 50 yards. He will never live it down!! I might hit them at 500 but when one pops up beside the truck I don't miss it either.

Re: Gun question for western guys [Re: Wolfdog91] #7743210
12/14/22 12:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Wolfdog91
So I've noticed in following alot of guys out west that are calling and just hunting in general that their are A LOT of wild cats, customs rifles, custom chambering ect. Like 10x more then here in the east. Like I've talk to some guys and having someone like a 6.5x284 ,22vartag, .20tacical, .17-223 is noting uncommon. Precision style rigs just seem standard as well. Meanwhile here in the east anything past say a stock rem 700 in 7mm-08 your just doing too much.
Any reason for that?
Thanks


Not a thing wrong with a 7-08 thatís what I bought my daughter. Plenty of gun for elk. No wildcats here I typically pack a 264 win mag. I have a lot of friends with wildcats 6.5x284, 280AI, etc. nothing wrong with that stuff. I did rename my nephews 6.5 creed to ďthe need moreĒ after last weekendís cow elk hunt. It took 3 well placed shots at about 125 yards with a 143 ELDX to put her on the ground. The recovered bullets didnít impress me at all. I wonít be loading any ELDX bullets for my personal use. Just my opinion I know plenty of others that use them.

Re: Gun question for western guys [Re: Wolfdog91] #7743230
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One of the reasons is that more people in the west like to do it for a hobby. People in the west are much more into guns than easterners. We have the open space with lots of places to shoot. Myself it never interested me. I can find better things to do that I enjoy a lot more.

Re: Gun question for western guys [Re: Turd Furgeson] #7743356
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Originally Posted by Turd Furgeson
Originally Posted by MattLA
Some of those guys out west have lose the ways of the old. 30-30 was fine for 70 years, nothing changed, we just got lazy and didn't want to get up, close and personal with the animals. Long live the 1894! I agree with Yes Sir!


There are calling contests every weekend all winter out here, Iíd love to see you consistently ďget up close and personalĒ with your 30-30 and show us how itís done. Itís not a matter of getting lazy, but ballistically the 30-30 is one of the worst centerfire calibers you could choose for predators.


I can track, stalk and get within I would say 15 yards of any animal in North America. Its extremelly time consuming and mentally exhausting but even in the eastern woods with crunchy fall leaves I can do it. Yes if we are talking about ballistics I agree and for that reason my main rifle is 6.8 SPC II. However 30-30 is a tried and true for every animal in North America.

Re: Gun question for western guys [Re: Wolfdog91] #7743382
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If you just kill one wolf at 800 yards itís worth it. I have a friend that does it pretty consistently.


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Re: Gun question for western guys [Re: Elkguy] #7743397
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Originally Posted by Elkguy
If you just kill one wolf at 800 yards itís worth it. I have a friend that does it pretty consistently.


Tell your friend to quit being so lazy and just stalk up to 15 yds of the wolves and shoot them with a .30-30 like MattLa.

Re: Gun question for western guys [Re: Wolfdog91] #7743403
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If it were only so easy,,,they tend not to sit around waiting for someone to sneak up on them around here.

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Re: Gun question for western guys [Re: Wolfdog91] #7743404
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When I moved out here many years ago I noticed the local Kmart type store offered .223 and 22-250 on their on sale guns never seen those offered back East. Out here they are a pretty all around truck gun so they fill the need for this area.


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