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Re: Trapping Tigers, Leopards, bears. [Re: Gulo] #7743379
12/14/22 09:41 AM
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Thirty years ago I was still in school, but I had a friend ten or fifteen years older than me that was offered a job to take his hounds over there and catch Siberian tigers, some that had already been collared in traps to retrieve/replace collars and also to catch additional ones to collar. He ended up turning the job down because he had two young kids and he would have had to been away without seeing them for a year. I wonder if those tigers he would have been catching to replace collars on would have been ones you originally trapped?

bearcat2 - I got no doubt it was the same project. We talked a lot about bringing over a cracker-jack houndsman, both for the tigers and leopards. Couldn't find the right person that could commit that kind of time. Also, I remember the Russians were talking a long time in kennels (puppy prison) before they would allow the dogs to be used. Would have been difficult. The research institute I was working for was based in Moscow, Idaho.


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Re: Trapping Tigers, Leopards, bears. [Re: Gulo] #7743447
12/14/22 11:24 AM
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Super post, enjoy all that you post, your life was my young mans dreams.


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Re: Trapping Tigers, Leopards, bears. [Re: Gulo] #7743454
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As always fantastic pictures and stories to go with them . I like so many others truly appreciate you taking the time to share with us I hope it plants the seed in a young persons heart to fallow into a lifestyle similar to what you have done and accomplished Jack thank you .


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Re: Trapping Tigers, Leopards, bears. [Re: Gulo] #7743466
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Thanks for sharing your experiences. Do those big cats fight those foot snares hard? Do they act similar to bobcats only bigger?

Re: Trapping Tigers, Leopards, bears. [Re: Gulo] #7743802
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Did you ever work with Bart schleyer over there?

Re: Trapping Tigers, Leopards, bears. [Re: Dean Chapel] #7743829
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Originally Posted by Dean Chapel
Did you ever work with Bart schleyer over there?


Bart was my replacement on the tiger project when I went down to start the leopard work, so yes, Bart and I overlapped in Russia. Then, I got to know him very well in Alaska. His girlfriend and my wife (both Russians) were very close friends. After Bart's passing, his girlfriend and son went to live with my wife in Baltimore where she was working. So, absolutely, we were very close. I took him out and dropped him off on some epic solo hunts in the Alaska Range.


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Re: Trapping Tigers, Leopards, bears. [Re: learch] #7744893
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Originally Posted by learch
Thanks for sharing your experiences. Do those big cats fight those foot snares hard? Do they act similar to bobcats only bigger?


Generally, the big cats don't fight extraordinarily hard. The leopards were not much different than trapping mtn lions here in Idaho (for the Fish and Game for research purposes; lions are not legal to trap in Idaho). The tigers are just so darn big and strong, they'll ruin most any gear.


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Re: Trapping Tigers, Leopards, bears. [Re: Gulo] #7744920
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Jack your to modest, your the sort of gentlemen that other folks write books about!

Re: Trapping Tigers, Leopards, bears. [Re: Gulo] #7744925
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Mr. Jack you happen to ever run shoulders with the Darine Simpson guy? Remember seeing him on various shows using the adrich snares to catch lions tigers hyenas and the like


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Re: Trapping Tigers, Leopards, bears. [Re: Wolfdog91] #7745057
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Originally Posted by Wolfdog91
Mr. Jack you happen to ever run shoulders with the Darine Simpson guy? Remember seeing him on various shows using the adrich snares to catch lions tigers hyenas and the like



Wolfie -

No, can't say that I even recognize the name. Sure sounds like an interesting guy to know. I haven't had a TV for about 3 decades though, so that's prolly why I don't know who the guy is. grin


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Re: Trapping Tigers, Leopards, bears. [Re: Gulo] #7745059
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Very cool stuff Gulo! Always enjoy your posts, thank you.

Re: Trapping Tigers, Leopards, bears. [Re: Gulo] #7745063
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Originally Posted by Gulo

Generally, the big cats don't fight extraordinarily hard. The leopards were not much different than trapping mtn lions here in Idaho (for the Fish and Game for research purposes; lions are not legal to trap in Idaho). The tigers are just so darn big and strong, they'll ruin most any gear.


20 yrs ago I was viewing the tiger exhibit at the Omaha zoo and a guy and his family walked up beside us. The way he was dressed and the way he carried himself made me think he was a feedlot hand. Anyway the tiger wasn't just big, it was fat so I ask the guy what he thought the Dern thing would weigh. We both agreed if it wasnt 800# it was awful close to it

I can only imagine what any type of gear would look like after catching one of those brutes!


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Re: Trapping Tigers, Leopards, bears. [Re: Gulo] #7745116
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I never met you Jack, but I did meet and talk to Bart. That was before he went to Russia. He had already lived an adventure or two himself!


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Re: Trapping Tigers, Leopards, bears. [Re: Gulo] #7745129
12/16/22 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Gulo
Originally Posted by Yukon John
What were you catching them for?

The animals were fitted with radio-transmitters and released. We were gathering basic ecological information (food habits, home range, population density, etc.).


Originally Posted by Sharon
You brought such improved practicalities to the countries you worked in, Jack.
Penny for your thoughts , in that last shot of you, with that wry smile.

The learning went both ways, Sharon. I gave the Russians a little taste of western technology. They paid me back by teaching me how to be a naturalist. They could read sign like no others. They knew each and every plant, mammal, bird, insect. They taught me to "observe".

And yes, Sharon, that is me a few years ago. Like the beaver hat and the coyote ruff? The Russians teased me incessantly about the hat, but I think every one of them secretly wanted it.

Originally Posted by white17
Jack, any pix of the blow gun and maybe an explanation of why you went that route?

Yeah Ken. I switched over to using a blowgun to deliver the anesthetic simply because it was a "gentler" approach. The big cats and bears hit with a dart gun , heard the gun's report and felt the rather hard hit. They would usually explode in an attempt to escape. With the softer, quiet delivery from a blow gun, they most often wouldn't react at all when they were hit. I've taken to using the blowgun even for wolves,



Originally Posted by w side rd 151
Imagine trying to sleep at night knowing this was what you where hoping was awaiting you when you ran your trap line in the morning .Even the mountain men trappers in the US where only dealing with some mean grizzly bear and some Native Americans that wanted to scalp them .I would think your sense where always on high alert .while running this type of trap line .


Yes, west side, the daily anticipation was exciting. However, the density of target animals was extremely low, so catches were not common. Actually, got a bit tedious at times, because it was so long between captures. I would never characterize it as boring, as the country was ever-so-interesting. Too, in the back of your mind, you were always thinking of the tigers that periodically eat forest workers. Have you read the book "Tiger" by Vaillant? It was written about a rogue tiger in the area I was working in.


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Re: Trapping Tigers, Leopards, bears. [Re: Gulo] #7745133
12/16/22 10:35 AM
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Since I’m not clear on the timing of when you were there. Did you work alongside anyone from inspection tiger like from the book by Valliant? Were you working in the Bikin River valley ever? Sobolonye? That book really captured my imagination, the descriptions of the countryside in that region, dense almost rainforest, -60
F degrees, tigers, leopards, poachers, bears, ussurian hogs so big i can’t imagine. I would love to see some pictures of the terrain or just hear about it. Thanks for sharing what you already have, the pictures are awesome.


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Re: Trapping Tigers, Leopards, bears. [Re: Gulo] #7745142
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Derek -

I was there in 1993 and 1994. Inspection tiger was barely in its infancy. I went back a few times up until 2001 to visit my in-laws and to hunt. I met most of the Inspection teams. Almost every photo in Vaillant's book, I knew those people, as they worked peripherally on the tiger or leopard project. I thought John did a very good job at depicting the life of those folks in the Bikin and around Sobolonye. I actually lived north and east of Sobolonye in Terney for the tiger work, then I moved down to Kedrovaya Pad (west and south of Vladivostok) for the leopard work. The hunting I did later over there was north and east of Vlad near Lazovskiy Reserve.

Jack

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Re: Trapping Tigers, Leopards, bears. [Re: Gulo] #7745180
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Wow what an adventure! You have seen/done some really awesome stuff


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Re: Trapping Tigers, Leopards, bears. [Re: newhouse114] #7745552
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Originally Posted by newhouse114
I never met you Jack, but I did meet and talk to Bart. That was before he went to Russia. He had already lived an adventure or two himself!


In my estimation, Bart Schleyer was the real deal. There was nobody that had higher standards for a hunt. I dropped him off for a week on the north side of the Alaska Range where I knew there would be no other hunters. Of course he was bow hunting. When I flew back to pick him up, he didn't have a moose. He remarked all the way home (for over an hour) that it was, bar none, the absolute best moose hunt he'd ever been on. He said he was within 5 feet of 70" bulls every day. Counted coup a couple of times.. He said he was having too good of a time to actually kill one. Quite a guy.

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