Israel doesn't believe Jesus was the son of God so they are still following the old testament . By the way if you want to follow old testament teachings when did you offer up your last sin offering? Was it a bull or goat?

2 Timothy 3:16-17 KJV
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: [17] That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.


The righteous judgment is the judgment written in the Bible. Not in someone's own mind and idea of what they believe judgment is.

What does Jesus say in the OT

Listen I don't want to be rude but earlier in this thread we explained what has changed in the new testament from the old testament. It's basically this.. the divers washings, drinks, meats, and what the Bible calls cardinal ordinances which are sacrifices. These are the only things that were changed because all of those were an image or archetype of the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ once he did all that those things came to an end.

Here is Jesus teaching how he didn't come to destroy the law.

Matthew 5:17-19 KJV
Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. [18] For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. [19] Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

So any person teaching men to break any one of the least commandments shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven.

No Bible believing Christian teaches against the law of God.

Now to your Israel comment I hate to have to explain this but it's is a very misunderstood topic. So don't hold your breath. The Jews of the old testament are descendants of Judah and from that tribe of the twelve tribes. The "Jews" of modern times practice Judaism which is a religion that Jesus preached against and was killed for doing so. The "Jews" never believed Jesus was the Christ and have his blood on their hands. The Israelites of the nation of Israel are not the Jews from the tribe of Judah they are just people who practice the religion of Judaism. Judaism is a wicked false religion that only uses the Torah which is the first 5 books of the Mosaic law, but their main text are a 37 volume of ancient text called the Talmud. The Talmud is the source for the wicked Luciferian religion called Kabbalah.
Now traditional "Jews" in modern times adhere to the Talmud and the Talmud teaches that Jesus was the b@$t@rd son of a Roman soldier named Pantera and is burning in H#ll in a vat of his own excrement. See Judaism is a wicked blasphemous religion. Jesus preached against them in the gospels and in Revelation.

So don't buy the modern Christianity hype about the "Jews" the Bible clearly teaches that a real Jew are those who believe on Jesus in their hearts. Traditional "Jews" do not believe Jesus to be the son of God. And you can't have the Father without the Son

1 John 2:21-23 KJV
I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth. [22] Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. [23] Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

Romans 2:28-29 KJV
For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: [29] But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

The traditional "Jews" of the nation of Israel are liars just the like the ones who killed Jesus.
However none of the practitioners of Judaism are the same as the people of the tribe of Judah one of the twelve tribes of Jacob also named Israel. He was named Israel because he had power with God and man.

Yeah and that's the problem. Very few people can stick to something like that. Jordan Peterson said it best when he said people who think they could have been a better Stalin probably would have just been the exact same person.
Honestly how many people can look at the Bible without leaning one way or another ESPECIALLY when you put them in a position of power.

Airplanes don't get off the ground by defying gravity, they get off the ground by the law of lift.

My question is outside of all the religious stuff is what is "fighting back" . Honestly. And who's gonna do the "work"
Can think of a few ways to fight back but I'm probably already on a list or two so I'll digress on that.

Paul believed the least among us could do it. meaning the newest babe in Christ was able to discern judgment from the Word of God. See you don't understand it because you don't have the Spirit. Neither does Jordan Peterson for that point. But you could. You could choose to believe only on the finished works of Jesus Christ. You could choose to believe on Jesus Christ and receive everlasting life in an instant. And then you too could judge a righteous judgment.

Here's a very short video. You would be surprised how many people have never actually heard the true Gospel from the Word of God preached by an saved man from faith to faith. Try it out. Watch the video and tell me what you learned or if you already knew it all already.

The Bible Way To Heaven

Fighting back means exercising judgment and justice. Our justice system is a weapon against the people and too many unsaved and easily bought off men have been allowed to do the judgment for too long. Fighting back looks like Elijah on My Carmel or David vs Goliath. It looks like Jonathan and his armour bearer vs the Philistines it looks Abraham when he saved his whole family or Gideon when the walls of Jericho fell. It looks like the battlefield when Moses was being supported to hold up his staff. The battle can only be done in the light by faith because only evil operates in the darkness.

I don't?..... If only you knew.......

This is the way to rob a cliche from a popular TV show. There can be no other way. The thing is how many men are willing to stand in the hedge. If we gather 1,000,000 which is 0.33% of the nation I bet God could easily dwindle it down to 300 and it still be enough

Offended already? Watch the video. Prove me wrong. I'll eat crow if I am. But if you lie i'll never know. All liars shall have their place in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone. Even I deserve h#ll, but I won't be going thanks to the finished works of Christ.

Try it

First off no I'm not offended . I'm pretty used to comments like yours . I'm just trying to figure out ;Prove you wrong on what exactly.

You do realize I'm saved and a fairly devote christan right ? Imma put it to you like this because honestly theres some stuff about my personal journey I'd prefer not to speak out to just anyone. I've deleted with alot of stuff, I've seen a lot of evil and been though a lot of pain . My faith has been tempered in some pretty hot and dark places .

I've talk to alot of guys like that in that video. Heard what he said 100's of times . Does very little to me . Wish I could give you my eyes for a day .

The simple this is I try and understand the human condition. People are fairly predictable. And once you start seeing how the mind works..... How religion and power works... And you get of this deal of my religion is right because ABCD..... Once you go down that path you understand and see alot more .... Much more clearly. Once you understand your innate ability to be evil..... The pure amount of darkness that can be in the human heart....welll....... As I say it tempers your faith.

But I'm not the goody two shoes goes to church every Sunday type .... I'm the other .

Take it for what you will.

But somthing that I recently heard that ring though alot of being a good Christian, man or just human
Demon hand Budda heart.

Fight or flight? Then there is also freeze or the deer in the headlight feeling.

We have the freedom to stay in the pig pen or not. If we prefer a broad way, then we find ourselves being like going into the big end of a funnel and being squeezed down as we get in the narrow end. If we go in the narrow end first then our journey gets easier as the funnel gets wider.
The prodigal in the prodigal son story saw the mess he was in and returned to his father. So if he hadn't returned then what?

Wolfdog you started off sincere and ended in folly. I don't wish to offend but to confront and sometimes people see confrontation at an attack. I personally don't believe you heard a word the preacher said based off of your response. What I heard is a man attempting to tell me he knows better than the Bible

What I heard was a man being honest with me and telling me he can't believe how easy it could be to be a Christian because he holds himself to such a high standard. What I heard was a litany of excuses to deflect from that fact that you believe you have to be good to be saved.

Let me tell you a story.... There was a boy who had a hard life at home but had 3 good Christian grandparents that loved to spend time with him when he was young and teach him the ABCDs as you called it. So that boy prayed that sinners prayer with multiple older folks all throughout his boyhood and teenage years. As time went on the boy became a young man but not before he got mixed up with the wrong crowd, started using drugs and eventually ran away from home at around 14. He turned his anger from his upbringing into energy and bottled it up to use at a later time, but he always blamed other people (parents) for his problems yet was making his own decisions in life and would never take responsibility for his own actions. He became a drug addict and stole and sold drugs just to stay afloat, yet no matter how far he went he was always down and out and never accomplished anything worth wild nearly all the way through his 20s. When he'd get sober he would try to lean on God and the good things his loving grandparents taught him, though he rarely saw them in over a decade except to ask for money or run away from his problems. He would tell himself he was a good man when clean and think he was going to heaven, you know cuz he repented. Then he would slide back and forth between hoping he was good enough to get there to knowing he was too evil and wicked to go and drown himself in the sorrow of knowingly and willingly accepting h#ll as his end.
So I started to be productive later on my twenties but not before learning to take responsibility for my own actions and past. Rather then blaming others I just accepted that I left home at 14 because I was an idiot living a foolish life. And I believed I was saved yet stayed away from church because I knew the hypocrisy and lies that came along with many of the churches today. I believed God was real but thought I had to be good to get to heaven, and had my "own relationship" with God. Then one day(April 27th, 2014) at the age of 29 I heard a man preach the gospel. So I listened to it 3 times and by the third time it clicked. What I had believed the gospel was before that day was praying a prayer and repenting of my sins. See when I knew I turned from sin I believed that's what would help save me. That I could play a part and lead myself to heaven by asking for forgiveness, praying a prayer and turning from sin. This is a lot of work and when I'd sin again I would think "oh no I'm going to (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman)" cause bad folks go to (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) right?
Then I heard the actual gospel and got saved. The gospel is salvation by grace through faith, by God sending his only Son to die for all sin. That Jesus paid it all and there nothing I can add to it. Mankind will always be sinners, some may say evil even, but no matter what every saved Christian on the earth will sin up until their death. The difference is I can't work enough to be saved, because I was never perfect in the first place. But Jesus, God in the flesh was made man to suffer the punishment for all of mankind. The greatest act of love was that God sent his Son to die for everyone even those that hate him. I wouldn't sacrifice my child for any of you or even the best of men. But God gave his for the least of men, and all others.

See the Bible teaches that once a person is saved they cannot go back, that it cannot be undone because they were never saved by their own power, or works, but that God offers them the free gift of eternal life by believing on Jesus Christ our Lord. It's that simple, and when a person spends so much time trying to make everything about "religion" difficult they miss the simplicity of salvation. How easy it is for anyone to choose to believe. No works, no turning from sin, or changing their life, but just a simple act of believing.

See I was what is called a false convert, I thought I was saved, but I trusted in what I could do to stay saved. And that is the opposite of what the gospel teaches. The gospel teaches that you must have faith in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ and that those finished works are what you trust in for salvation. See Jesus promised us eternal life if we only believed. Once we believe we become a child of God and receive everlasting life. So just knowing Jesus exists wasn't enough, you must 100% put your faith on his person and his finished works. See Jesus was perfect and sinless because he was God in the flesh, he paid our price on the cross by dying and going to (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) for 3 days, he resurrected and preached to many before ascending into heaven to sit at the right hand of the throne of God. He did this not for himself as he was perfect before his short life as a man, but for you and me and all other sinners would couldn't have done it themselves even if they tried. The gospel is that you repent or turn away from yourself, your ego, your pride, your relationship and repent or turn to Jesus and who he was and what he did, and how he promised eternal life and could never lie nor take it from you. Repenting of sin or turning from your evil way is a work as God said in Jonah chapter 3 so it could never be necessary for salvation because salvation is by grace through faith, without works lest any man should boast. I didn't know that because no one who attempted to share the gospel with me knew that either. Many of them were unsaved. But once it clicked everything came together.

I wouldn't change my past for a thing. I've lived many lives at this point and know the far sides of many walks of life. But none of my experience meant a thing until the day i truly let go of myself and chose to believe on him and what he did. Then I received the Holy Ghost and was sealed until the day of redemption. Then after much reading and Bible preaching I started to realize why I had seen so much in my life, and how it would help to share this free gift that was graciously bestowed upon all of mankind. Anybody even you can see this to, but you must let go of yourself and your ideas and your "wisdom" and chose to only trust in God's sacrifice.

Then you too will be able to judgment and you won't question it or doubt the Bible because it can only make sense when you have the Spirit. See the Spirit is the teacher that will guide you into all truth and bring all scripture to your remembrance. The Spirit is the only way judgment makes sense, or salvation, or all of the questions a man could have, wether about religion or life in general.

This has gone on too long and 99% of folks would have quit reading this 500 words ago, but I ask you wolfdog if you were die today would you go to heaven and if so why?

the emperor has no clothes is a good fairy tale

I killed the thread didn't I lol. Well it is what it is.

There is definitely a time to fight there always will be the question is who will God send? Who is willing and who has enough faith to follow through...

What are your feelings towards Islamist that are fighting for/according to their religion?

I am just about sure God doesn't need your help or you to decide who is wrong or right.