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Black Pheasant #7752427
12/23/22 07:04 PM
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How common would they be ,My Grandson wants to mount one that he shot he is 23 . I have never seen one . Just wondering


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Re: Black Pheasant [Re: Snowpa] #7752428
12/23/22 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Snowpa
How common would they be ,My Grandson wants to mount one that he shot he is 23 . I have never seen one . Just wondering


Captive raised ones are common, you can order as many black chicks as you want. Hard to say if it's a true wild one or a released. I guess it just depends on how much it means to him.

Re: Black Pheasant [Re: Snowpa] #7752432
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I'd mount it


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Re: Black Pheasant [Re: Snowpa] #7752435
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Sorta like the “white” turkeys guys kill down here. When there’s a farm raising them a mile away, why mount it?

Re: Black Pheasant [Re: Snowpa] #7752449
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Is it a mechanistic phase of a ringneck pheasant or a sichaun pheasant? Sichauns are black or very dark and are a different sub-specie of pheasant. Or game commision used to stock them when they were trying to restore the pheasant population because they have different breeding habits than ringnecks.


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Re: Black Pheasant [Re: Snowpa] #7752450
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Re: Black Pheasant [Re: Snowpa] #7752451
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If it’s wild mount it. My opinion

Re: Black Pheasant [Re: Snowpa] #7752454
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There is an area NE of my hometown that over the course of the past 30+ years we have taken 3 black roosters. They have all come from the same general area, four sections. We have never seen nor heard of another anywhere around. There is no, nor ever been a pheasant farm anywhere up there. We are close friends with all the neighbors up there, none of there families have ever raised pet birds either. Our thoughts are just a genetic anomaly up in that population that shows itself everyone and then.


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Re: Black Pheasant [Re: Snowpa] #7752456
12/23/22 07:24 PM
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'Black' Chinese Ring necks are raised down here on game farms.
I used to raise them in the mid 1980's

That said, pretty bird.

Re: Black Pheasant [Re: Donnersurvivor] #7752458
12/23/22 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Donnersurvivor
Originally Posted by Snowpa
How common would they be ,My Grandson wants to mount one that he shot he is 23 . I have never seen one . Just wondering


Captive raised ones are common, you can order as many black chicks as you want. Hard to say if it's a true wild one or a released. I guess it just depends on how much it means to him.

My question to you would be have you seen one ,Do you have one ,I am seventy-one and this is a first to me .This is a heavy bird and no one in the area raises them ,So were gonna mount it and thats a take


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Re: Black Pheasant [Re: Snowpa] #7752461
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Originally Posted by Snowpa
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IMO, that looks like a sichaun. I'd mount it no matter if it's a black ringneck or a sichaun.


Eh...wot?

Re: Black Pheasant [Re: Snowpa] #7752580
12/23/22 08:49 PM
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Beautiful bird !!!

He wants to mount it ?? Do it !!!

That being said............ This past Monday, I saw 8-10 pheasants in a winter wheat field down over the bank of the highway. Of those, probably over half were melanistics. But there's a mile long bottom there that guys release birds to hunt. These weren't wild-raised birds.


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Re: Black Pheasant [Re: Snowpa] #7752581
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I seen one several times this fall running my short line. Always seemed to be around the same place and had thought about going after it. Mentioned it to the local LO and he said one of the neighbors had raised about a dozen or so and released them this fall. I decided to let it be, maybe they'll multiply. It is a beautiful bird, I would probably get it mounted.

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Re: Black Pheasant [Re: Snowpa] #7752615
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They do occur once in a while in the wild And at the same time it is possible that it is a pen raised bird But it looks pretty sharp to me And if I was the young man that shot it and liked it enough to want to get it mounted I WOULD NOT CARE ONE BIT WHAT SOMEONE ELSE MIGHT THINK OF IT .He shot it legal and that gives him the right to do with it what he chooses If that is what he does with it post another pic of it when it is finished

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Re: Black Pheasant [Re: w side rd 151] #7752741
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Originally Posted by w side rd 151
They do occur once in a while in the wild And at the same time it is possible that it is a pen raised bird But it looks pretty sharp to me And if I was the young man that shot it and liked it enough to want to get it mounted I WOULD NOT CARE ONE BIT WHAT SOMEONE ELSE MIGHT THINK OF IT .He shot it legal and that gives him the right to do with it what he chooses If that is what he does with it post another pic of it when it is finished

You can count on it


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Re: Black Pheasant [Re: Snowpa] #7752882
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mount it , its about the memory

Re: Black Pheasant [Re: Snowpa] #7752886
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The Sportsman Club we belong to will plant Melanistic Roosters upon request- I have never seen a Jet Black one like that...Grandpa should have that mounted for him- if he traps, a flushing bobcat fence post mount would be awesome.

Re: Black Pheasant [Re: Eagleye] #7752908
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I have never seen a black one , but I have a white albino one mounted ..
My father shot when he was a kid . He was afraid he shot one of the Niebore's chickens ,
So he stuffed it down a wood chuck hole ..
When my grandfather questioned him , about what he shot , my dad told him what he had done ..
They went back and pulled the pheasant back out of the wood chuck hole .
My grandfather had it mounted for him ..

Turns out , the older guys had seen this bird and where all trying to get him..

Re: Black Pheasant [Re: Snowpa] #7752934
12/24/22 09:05 AM
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Shot one last year. Closest guy I knew that raised them was about 8 miles away. Tasted good and I used the feathers for trapping fox.


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Re: Black Pheasant [Re: Turtledale] #7752945
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Mount it

Re: Black Pheasant [Re: Snowpa] #7752982
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A melanistic phase animal has a trait that affects the pigmentation of an animal . And albino would be the reverse pigmentation of melanistic phase animal .I have seen pictures of melanistic phase groundhog ,white tail deer ,red fox squirrels and some types of song birds .There are numerous species of pheasants And of course they have many color variations If you really look closely mot animals have a wide variety of color differences. Red fox come to mind I live in area that has lots of fox But no two are alike .And often I catch a wide color variation from the same properties .

Re: Black Pheasant [Re: Snowpa] #7753010
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Guys, think it is a sichaun pheasant as stated above. They look like the one Snowpa's grandson is holding.

It could be a mechanistic ringneck but I'm betting it's a sichaun.

Either way, if he wants to mount it, he should. Then he should have a ringnreck mounted next to it.


Eh...wot?

Re: Black Pheasant [Re: Snowpa] #7753070
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There's more than 30 strains of ringneck pheasants in the wild in Asia and dozens of colors in captivity. Many different species of pheasants will cross with ringnecks too. I had 1750 black ringnecks like that back in 1997 and smaller numbers, many years since.

If he wants it mounted, I would get it mounted.

This was the coolest mutted up pheasant I ever had. The picture doesn't do him justice. In sunlight, he was spectacular.

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I've had sky blue, apricot, yellow piece, peach, electric blue, black, melanistic brown, green, white, buff, blueback, greenback, copper and red ringneck pheasants. There's a lot more colors available than those.

People have selectively bred ringneck pheasants since before the formation of the Roman Empire, which stocked them everywhere they conquered and spread.

Keith

Re: Black Pheasant [Re: Snowpa] #7753078
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I remember when the PA Game Commission decided to switch to the Sichuan pheasant for stocking pheasants here in PA As I remember they made a deal with the Michigan DNR to buy all of their birds Part of the reasoning was that the Sichuan bird was more inclined to nest in brushy ,woody and other heavy cover areas similar to turkeys . While the Ring Neck we are use to in a bird that prefers to nest in grass /hay type areas As I recall it was supposed to be either a 4 or 5 year test program but because it was a flop they cut it short by a year .The characteristics that where supposed to make it a more suitable pheasant for the habitat in PA did not pan out .Because the rick neck pheasant was so plentiful in PA and many other states people tend to forget that the pheasant is not native to the North America continent

Re: Black Pheasant [Re: Snowpa] #7753083
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Right West Side, they are all non-natives. They're still great fun to hunt though!

I remember when the PGC started stocking the sichauns. The first one I flushed I didn't shoot at because I wasn't sure what exactly it was. Back then we still had the cockbirds only rule.


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Originally Posted by KeithC
There's more than 30 strains of ringneck pheasants in the wild in Asia and dozens of colors in captivity. Many different species of pheasants will cross with ringnecks too. I had 1750 black ringnecks like that back in 1997 and smaller numbers, many years since.

If he wants it mounted, I would get it mounted.

Keith


Were your black pheasants sichauns Keith?


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Originally Posted by Lugnut
Originally Posted by KeithC
There's more than 30 strains of ringneck pheasants in the wild in Asia and dozens of colors in captivity. Many different species of pheasants will cross with ringnecks too. I had 1750 black ringnecks like that back in 1997 and smaller numbers, many years since.

If he wants it mounted, I would get it mounted.

Keith


Were your black pheasants sichauns Keith?


Doug, Sichuan is a name used to describe several different captive strains of ringneck pheasants that vary in appearance. It's a province in China. The pheasants I have seen called sichaun have all been similar to the regular ringneck in color.

I had blacks from many different sources over the last 25 years. They are called by lots of different names by the people selling them. Most are crossed with other color varieties, which makes them vary widely in how dark they are and whether they have red, green, copper or blue iridescence in the sun.

Keith

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As I recall the Sichuan pheasants that the PGC where stocking during the time they switching from the ring neck where a slightly darker bird without the typical white ring on their neck .But as Keith states they vary in color And Lugnut you are 100% correct .What ever name you call them they are still a fun way to spend a day with a dog or two hunting

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Interesting Keith, I knew Sichaun was a province in China. But I didn't know it was a generic name used to describe various strains of pheasants. The ones I saw stocked in my area were very dark or black with no rings on the necks (as West Side said) but they had a typical rooster's tail. . Our game commission called them sichauns. I assumed that was a name for a specific strain of pheasant.

West Side, one of my favorite things to do is to hunt those Chinese chickens over my labs.


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