Please school me on CARRIERS...
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On the topic of marten, bobcat, and canine lures in subzero temps - I'm assuming a "carrier" is something that will evaporate with the underlying odors and "carry" the scent away. I'm trying to think of primary items that will do this in freezing temps, and alcohol (of course) comes to mind and skunk (of course)... but I can't think of what else might typically be used. My dogs hate the scent of alcohol, and turn their nose away from it, so I'm wondering how effective alcohol might be at this. Can anyone point me in a good direction for reading more about this topic or offer any insight at understanding this topic more? Thank you!
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Re: Please school me on CARRIERS...
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Yukon John
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I wonder if tincturing (sp) in alcohol would negate the negative response (of straight alcohol) while adding to your vapor effect?
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Re: Please school me on CARRIERS...
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I wonder if tincturing (sp) in alcohol would negate the negative response (of straight alcohol) while adding to your vapor effect? My limited experience is the vapor effect of alcohol is too short term. I'll tincture some products in everclear but then cut it with a product that is good at holding the odor
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Re: Please school me on CARRIERS...
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Just keep in mind that learnng an animals behavior, location selection and mastering a few good basic sets will win the day.
Get in front of that animal and give them a curious odor opportunity and it is usually game over if you have done your part. Best advice there is. I will leave lure making to the experts and purchase them as I dont have the time or inclination to try to reproduce what they already have. I'll stick to making simple baits that coyotes know the smell of (deer, rodents, rabbits, fish, etc.) I think we way over-estimate some of this. Coyotes have NO problem finding dead rabbits and rodents, and last time I checked they don't come packaged in a bunch of fancy perfumes. I catch MOST of my coyotes in flat sets with nothing but urine (I work around a lot of cattle) and if you set ON LOCATION, visual attraction can be all you need. Add a GOOD urine and you will catch almost every coyote that comes by if you are set on proper location. A good gland lure or curiosity lure can help no doubt. Bait just needs to be something they will want to eat. PERIOD. Location, visual attraction, high quality urine are tops in my book - followed by gland lure and bait.
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Re: Please school me on CARRIERS...
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I wonder if tincturing (sp) in alcohol would negate the negative response (of straight alcohol) while adding to your vapor effect? My limited experience is the vapor effect of alcohol is too short term. I'll tincture some products in everclear but then cut it with a product that is good at holding the odor I can see that, was just referring to the negative response to straight alcohol.
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Re: Please school me on CARRIERS...
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No worries, I enjoy your commitment to your lure experiments...just wish you'd share ALL your secrets lol! Keep it up! FWIW I've always thought about mixing a little beaver castor with some fine peppermint schnapps, and just let er eat! Merry Christmas!
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Re: Please school me on CARRIERS...
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Thank you all for taking the time to add some insight to this, as I work it thru my head. I like to mix a couple small homebatch baits/lures each season just to see how they'll do, and I totally see the time you talk about with this experimentation, Mr. Jameson. Knowing that location is key, I'm just trying to replicate basic scents that will stick around long enough and disperse scent without freezing. Thank you, YesSir, for mentioning oak moss scent - I haven't tested that scent yet. Thank you silkyplainscoyot for reminding me about mint - my one dog loves that scent and it really seems to carry. Good point, Yukon John, on tinkering and how the alcohol will just carry the scent vs. being overpowering. This all gives me some more to think about - Thank you all, and Merry Christmas!
David
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