Re: Wisconsin late bobcat season opens tomorrow
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I’ve caught cats before with just a bare metal pan, hundreds are caught every year that way. My blocking is always big and bold, the little twigs are the “fillers” for the areas in between the big sticks and between the jaws and pan.
When guiding a cat, you’re not suggesting where it steps, you’re FORCING it to step exactly where you want. Don’t be afraid to be super aggressive with the blocking. You’re literally making it so the HAVE to step directly on your pan if they want to continue on that particular trail. They’re not like coyotes, extreme guiding does not bother them a bit. A cat isn’t going to come to your set in the trail and back out cause there’s too much blocking. Bout the only way you can block too much is by not giving a clean spot to step in the middle, they’ll just jump over if you do that. But the clear spot only has to be big enough for just one paw to fit. That’s why tons of blocking is key, if there’s a space around the trap big enough for a paw to fit that isn’t your pan, chances are good the cat will step on that spot instead. It’s not like a baited set where they put their foot down in multiple spots at the set, when that cat comes through you’re going to get exactly two shots, one front foot and one back foot, so you don’t want to leave any room for it to step around the trap. Interesting point about the cat stepping over (past) the entire trap. That is a concern of mine so I want to ensure I understand how to avoid that
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Re: Wisconsin late bobcat season opens tomorrow
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01/10/23 01:38 PM
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They’ll only jump over if it looks like there’s no good place to step in between, or if the blocking is too tall AND too narrow. But to get the blocking around the trap too tall and cause them to jump over you pretty much have to build your blocking ridiculously tall. Seasoned cat trappers ive talked to here don’t hesitate to build the blocking around the trap 6” tall, like a log cabin all the way around the trap. You want your blocking tall enough that the cat has to deliberately step over the first set of sticks and wide enough that it can’t step all the way over the second set with a single step, and in between make everything but the pan look like a bad spot to step.
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Re: Wisconsin late bobcat season opens tomorrow
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01/10/23 02:54 PM
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They’ll only jump over if it looks like there’s no good place to step in between, or if the blocking is too tall AND too narrow. But to get the blocking around the trap too tall and cause them to jump over you pretty much have to build your blocking ridiculously tall. Seasoned cat trappers ive talked to here don’t hesitate to build the blocking around the trap 6” tall, like a log cabin all the way around the trap. You want your blocking tall enough that the cat has to deliberately step over the first set of sticks and wide enough that it can’t step all the way over the second set with a single step, and in between make everything but the pan look like a bad spot to step. I'll consider this. I don't think my blocking is too narrow It seems like my trap usually ends up near the center of the trail, hopefully not too centered If I put sticks between the jaws, I have to ensure a stick doesn't clog the trap. Plus I'd prefer not to snap my fingers in the trap. Spiking sticks in frozen ground isn't always easy. I figure cats are acrobats & don't mind jumping  I'm hoping they see the trap pan & decide it looks like a good place to step
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Re: Wisconsin late bobcat season opens tomorrow
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01/10/23 02:57 PM
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The reason for not burying the trap at all, is 1. It’s not necessary. Bobcats don’t care. And truthfully, neither do foxes. I’ve caught many many foxes in exposed bobcat sets. Coyotes will even be caught in them sometimes. 2. Saves time and effort. 3. A trap set like that will continue to work through rain, snow, freeze/thaw, almost all weather, eliminating the need for dry/waxed dirt or antifreeze and no need to rebuild sets after weather events, except if the snow gets a hard crust on it then you have to scoop the crust off the top of the set. 4. You have less gear to carry to make that type of set, which is important when building a set in nasty steep country. You pretty much just need a trap and a drag or stake, everything else nature provides. So how do you get it to set flat with the center swivel and chain underneath a trap?
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Re: Wisconsin late bobcat season opens tomorrow
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01/10/23 08:21 PM
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I like that set, platte. I wonder if the cat you missed will be trap shy
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Re: Wisconsin late bobcat season opens tomorrow
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01/10/23 08:34 PM
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The reason for not burying the trap at all, is 1. It’s not necessary. Bobcats don’t care. And truthfully, neither do foxes. I’ve caught many many foxes in exposed bobcat sets. Coyotes will even be caught in them sometimes. 2. Saves time and effort. 3. A trap set like that will continue to work through rain, snow, freeze/thaw, almost all weather, eliminating the need for dry/waxed dirt or antifreeze and no need to rebuild sets after weather events, except if the snow gets a hard crust on it then you have to scoop the crust off the top of the set. 4. You have less gear to carry to make that type of set, which is important when building a set in nasty steep country. You pretty much just need a trap and a drag or stake, everything else nature provides. So how do you get it to set flat with the center swivel and chain underneath a trap? Usually just find a couple small rocks or sticks to put under the frame and jaws to keep it from rocking. All of my cat sets are on drags or clogs, so the chain gets stretched out away from the set, preferably pre-hooked in the farthest away brush it can reach. Lure can be a help or a hindrance on bobcats, placed 18” above the set on a rock or stick, if they like it they’ll rub their face on it like a house at rubbing on peoples legs. Sometimes though they will avoid a set because the lure is too strong, especially with skunky stuff, the intensity can be unpleasant to them.
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Re: Wisconsin late bobcat season opens tomorrow
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01/10/23 08:49 PM
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For what it is worth, I have been seeing cat tracks in the usual places. Up and down small creeks and in the thickest, nastiest conifer or cedar cover you can find where there is less snow. Don't discount the small creeks! Cats love walking up and down them and I used to catch a couple a year in a snare with no sign on the creek. Be patient and they WILL come through.
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Re: Wisconsin late bobcat season opens tomorrow
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01/10/23 09:44 PM
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I have a small creek in mind that I'll check out, but I think it might have melted this week
I hadn't considered setting in the dry area under pines
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Re: Wisconsin late bobcat season opens tomorrow
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01/10/23 10:06 PM
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Do you have any rock outcropping in your area? Bobcats love an overhang under a big Boulder.
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Re: Wisconsin late bobcat season opens tomorrow
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01/10/23 10:11 PM
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Hopefully my skunky lure isn't scaring them off Cats are deathly afraid of skunks this time of year.
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Re: Wisconsin late bobcat season opens tomorrow
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01/10/23 11:26 PM
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Do you have any rock outcropping in your area? Bobcats love an overhang under a big Boulder. Not that I've seen, but I'll keep my eyes open 
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Re: Wisconsin late bobcat season opens tomorrow
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01/10/23 11:27 PM
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Hopefully my skunky lure isn't scaring them off Cats are deathly afraid of skunks this time of year. Perhaps the school of thought is that skunks aren't normally active in the winter
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Re: Wisconsin late bobcat season opens tomorrow
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You want your blocking tall enough that the cat has to deliberately step over the first set of sticks and wide enough that it can’t step all the way over the second set with a single step, and in between make everything but the pan look like a bad spot to step. Anyone have some pictures of this?
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Re: Wisconsin late bobcat season opens tomorrow
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I haven’t experienced a cat refusing due to skunky lure because I don’t use skunky lure. The reason I don’t use it is because a guy I know very well who’s been trapping cats since before I was born, and has caught well in excess of 1,000 bobcats all over the state of Nevada, told me that he has on many occasions had a cat avoid a set that was lured with a skunky lure. When he stopped using the skunky lure, he stopped having cats avoid sets. So do with that information what you will.
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