If I understand, you’re kind of asking can you accept Jesus as your savior and not experience that repentant moment, the answer is yes.

That would be wrong.

lol Okay, whatever you say.

Catch 22, the reason was much of my most recent post just above this. The goal was to destroy America. America is founded on Christian values, George Washington faught a loosing battle against and empire and won with God as his shield and Christ as his banner. He changed the world along with many other brave men including the man that brought my mother's bloodline to America. He did it by praying for hours a day and asking for direction, wisdom, guidance, strength, and most of all perseverance. It was perseverance that won the revolution not the fact that Washington won every battle cuz he did not. He gained this perseverance wisdom and strength through prayer.

That foundation turned this nation in the greatest nation on earth. The people (WEF) who today choose to tell you you can't drive gasoline vehicles, eat red meat, and have heat in your house are what we call the world government. Something we were warned about in Revelation chapter 13. This one world government has to take over the planet in order for the Antichrist to come about. The Antichrist has to come about in order for the tribulation to start. And the tribulation has to pass before Christ comes in the clouds. It's only the Free Will of men, that choose to stand with God, and take action prayerfully that can push this off for as long as we choose. So in order to keep men from exercising their free will to stop a One world government, they had to subvert the institution of church and religion. So they did this by destroying the gospel first. Then they chose to infiltrate the churches through the preachers by making it a standard for preachers to go to a school or seminary to run a church. There they teach them the horrible doctrine of dispensationalism that is designed to literally destroy a man's capability to understand the Bible. As you see it works very well.

So you can divide people by nationality, by tradition, by race and color even, but you couldn't divide Christians from Christians when they had faith on the Lord Jesus Christ. So in order to destroy the fabric that holds society together you had to destroy their faith. And now in modern times we're moving into the same times they were at in the Old testament when people would willingly sacrifice their children to Molech. Society is breaking down. This is the goal of destroying faith first, then clear doctrine. The destruction of faith and clear doctrine causes men settle on their lees, and stop doing judgment. Once the judgment of God is out of the way because men no longer exercise it the propaganda is able to be used against their children. Then you raised their children up to destroy what they've worked so hard to build.

So the ultimate goal is the destruction of faith, and america, so there's no shining light in the world. Then the only option is world government. As long as America stands the world government will not be able to take total control. That's because we are a nation built on Christian values.

I just want to say catch 22, that I appreciate you going and researching this on your own. That's the goal of contending with bad doctrine publicly, that the hearers go search the scriptures to see whether these things be true. If there's anything I'm good at in this world it's confrontation. That's not necessarily a good thing but it can be used for good under the right circumstances.

I know dispensationalism is a false doctrine, and now so do all of you. If not for researching it for yourselves, at least because every proponent of dispensationalism in this thread produce no biblical scripture in its defense. I knew there would be none because I know there is no scripture to support any of it. But that won't stop people from wresting the scripture to make it so.

Posco, Aren't you just a little old fashioned? If you want your church to grow you need to loosen up. You'll need a ping pong table and a pool table and snacks in the basement. You need to get rid of that old boring music that is just too sad and convicting. You need new fast, loud music with 3 word songs. Just in case someone was to come in that seems to not enjoy the service and maybe even have tears of remorse running down their face, then you need to appoint some specific counselors to take those people aside to a little room and give them a good dose of some feel good religion. You must separate those from the rest or you may lose the feel good crowd. Tell them there is nothing wrong with them, and show them how well you are and that you are both humans. Convince them you are O.K. and they are O.K. too. Now after you get them under control and thinking positive things reenter them back into the group. At which time you tell them to wait until near the end of the service and someone will ask if any one would like to join the church at which time you should raise your hand and they will take you by the hand to the front and say now repeat after me. That's all there is to it, you are now in, have fun. Yes, you will now be reformed a little, but better at your old self a whole lot!

That is how you keep your group growing. We all know when things are doing good they grow don't they? But doesn't cancer grow? Now there you go thinking negative again.

Really? What about the criminal on the cross who said to Jesus, "Lord, remember me when you come into your kingdom". When did he repent?

Then Jesus said, "This day you shall be with me in paradise".

Let it go T7.

Got it, HT. Thanks.

Well I just skimmed through this. I still don't know. Do I need to fear a white skinned jewish man or a brown skinned Arab? How about a brown skinned jew? I wish one of you scholars would just lay it out.

Morning Danny, I’m not a scholar but my answer to your question is “look inside your heart and fear what you do not see.”

I'll take the bait! I think the idea is that Jesus's followers don't need to fear anyone. The world is full of beasts and antichrists. It's a bloody, violent, disastrous mess. Fear of the beasts that rule the world typically leads participation with with those beasts. For Christians, the promise that God will deal with the beasts Himself means we need not fear. We need not join the beast. We need not become beasts ourselves in the name of fighting other beasts. God will take care of it in the end, and He will take care of us after the end, in the Resurrection. In the meantime, instead of participating in beastly kingdoms, we get to participate in building the Kingdom of Heaven -here and now, on the earth. There's a lot more to unpack, but unpacking it all will take a lifetime, maybe longer, but that's the idea anyway.

I'd enjoy that honestly

I'm not a scholar
But. Second Timothy ch: 1 vs 7 For God hath not given us the spirit of fear, but of power, and of love, and of sound mind.
Roman's 12: 18 if it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men.

Remember when the people went from crying "Hosanna!" to "Crucify Him!"? Same people just a few days apart. God isn't interested in a crowd, He knows what a crowd can do.

Thanks a bunch Ken, you have given me a lot to research and think about and thanks for sharing all the info and knowledge with us. I think this has been a great thread!

Amen

Here's where those who believe in pre-trib get it from.

From the Vulgate translated into English from the Hebrew and Greek: 1 Thessalonians 1:10 "A God who really exists, and to wait for the appearing of His Son from heaven, Jesus, whom He raised from the dead, our Saviour from the vengeance that is to come."

Apocalypse 3:10 "Thou hast kept true to my lesson of endurance, and I will keep thee safe from the hour of trial which is soon to fall upon the whole world, for the testing of all who dwell on the earth."

When he recognized his guilt and rebuked the other criminal for not doing the same.

I couldn't understand Coonman. How am I supposed to understand that?