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ATF announces new rules on pistol braces. #7771491
01/13/23 11:21 PM
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fitting for a Friday the 13th I suppose

it sounds like it covers all braces or even pistols with buffer tubes , anything that could be considered more useful than a handgun alone.

no it has nothing to do with safety

it is a 293 page document so it is going to take a while for the legal folks to sort through

https://www.atf.gov/rules-and-regulations/factoring-criteria-firearms-attached-stabilizing-braces

at a glance it appears it sets today as day 1 of SBR form 1 filing and closes it in 120 days

they think between 20 and 40 million braced pistols and firearms are in private ownership


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Re: ATF announces new rules on pistol braces. [Re: GREENCOUNTYPETE] #7771495
01/13/23 11:36 PM
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Our overlords are getting nervous


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: ATF announces new rules on pistol braces. [Re: GREENCOUNTYPETE] #7771497
01/13/23 11:43 PM
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They want em registered


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Until Lambs Become Lions
Re: ATF announces new rules on pistol braces. [Re: Marty] #7771499
01/13/23 11:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Marty
They want em registered


yup


Let's go Brandon

"Shall not comply" with morons who don't understand "shall not infringe."
Re: ATF announces new rules on pistol braces. [Re: Scuba1] #7771503
01/14/23 12:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Scuba1
Originally Posted by Marty
They want em registered


yup



You can't take firearms unless you know where they are.

Keith

Re: ATF announces new rules on pistol braces. [Re: GREENCOUNTYPETE] #7771508
01/14/23 12:08 AM
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From what i read they have to be attached to the pistol but not illegal to possess. Did i read that wrong?

Re: ATF announces new rules on pistol braces. [Re: nvwrangler] #7771534
01/14/23 05:10 AM
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Originally Posted by nvwrangler
From what i read they have to be attached to the pistol but not illegal to possess. Did i read that wrong?


I took it as destroyed, turned in or registered.

Re: ATF announces new rules on pistol braces. [Re: GREENCOUNTYPETE] #7771646
01/14/23 08:55 AM
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Where does the ATF and attorney general get the authority to pass laws?


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: ATF announces new rules on pistol braces. [Re: GREENCOUNTYPETE] #7771649
01/14/23 08:57 AM
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The ATF and Atty gen. don't we will see what the supreme court has to say, my guess is throw it out.

Re: ATF announces new rules on pistol braces. [Re: GREENCOUNTYPETE] #7771682
01/14/23 09:42 AM
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It's not the braces themselves that are being banned, but rather it's that pistols with braces "might" be short barreled rifles. The gist of it is that various features of the gun, things like the type of brace, telescoping sights, overall length, threaded barrel, angled grip, etc etc etc are worth varying amounts of points. If the gun accumulates enough points, then it's a short barreled rifle. If your gun has enough points, you have 120 days to either get rid of it, register it as a short barreled rifle, or do nothing and keep your mouth shut.
They also list a bunch of specific firearms that are automatically short barreled rifles, for example my neighbor has a Smith and Wesson M&P-22 with the sb3 brace, it's listed as a short barreled rifle.....so now I gotta try to convince wifey that I should buy it off of him grin

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Re: ATF announces new rules on pistol braces. [Re: GREENCOUNTYPETE] #7771698
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Here's a sample of the check sheet. Various features are worth various amounts of points, 4 or more points equals a short barreled rifle. What nonsense.

Re: ATF announces new rules on pistol braces. [Re: GREENCOUNTYPETE] #7771713
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I dont own a braced pistol. Never had an AR till the commissar started saying it was unsafe to the public at large if I did. I wish they would quit making me buy stuff.


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: ATF announces new rules on pistol braces. [Re: GREENCOUNTYPETE] #7771715
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Haven't the dipsticks at the AFT figured out yet that laws are made in congress and not in the canteen on some gubberment agency ???


Let's go Brandon

"Shall not comply" with morons who don't understand "shall not infringe."
Re: ATF announces new rules on pistol braces. [Re: danny clifton] #7771734
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
Where does the ATF and attorney general get the authority to pass laws?

My thoughts exactly!


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Re: ATF announces new rules on pistol braces. [Re: GREENCOUNTYPETE] #7771742
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Treat it like the mandatory covid jab, don't do it.

Re: ATF announces new rules on pistol braces. [Re: GREENCOUNTYPETE] #7771761
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Re: ATF announces new rules on pistol braces. [Re: GREENCOUNTYPETE] #7771768
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Andy, you even smell like a big old dog coyote grin


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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Originally Posted by Andrew Eastwood
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smile


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Re: ATF announces new rules on pistol braces. [Re: GREENCOUNTYPETE] #7771909
01/14/23 02:25 PM
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That move would make uppers less then 16 inches about useless then also.


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Re: ATF announces new rules on pistol braces. [Re: GREENCOUNTYPETE] #7772182
01/14/23 07:27 PM
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so here is the deal if you have other paper in your name suppressor or such , then take the free tax stamp they already know who you are. SBR everything you have with a <16 inch barrel.

If you don't have or intend to have any other NFA items , well you may not want to

What this does 3 maybe 4 fold and I am not even sure most people get this yet

1 obviously it is a registry.

2. you need to fill out a form 22 to move an SBR out of state so you are stuck in your state without filing change of location papers. basically

3. it is no longer a handgun/pistol it is a NFA-SBR a rifle so now rifle laws apply to car carry , as an example in WI your CCL lets you carry it loaded , but not a rifle.

between 2 and 3 is goes a long way to killing them as a truck gun.

4 it also will no longer count in handgun hunting although that is a state reg , if it is an SBR can it be used fro handgun hunting reading the WI regs it would appear not.

maybe 5 it may change the reporting requirements for lost or stolen guns


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