Re: Mark of the beast comes from the middle east
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It's God's will that all men would be saved But all men are not saved. Salvation is monergistic, God does the seeking. John 3:8 People would call everyone (they say) if they were God Posco. Be fair is what people say.
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Re: Mark of the beast comes from the middle east
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It's God's will that all men would be saved But all men are not saved. Salvation is monergistic, God does the seeking. John 3:8 Correct as I said all men don't believe. In fact most men don't.
Matthew 7:6 KJV Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine.... -OFBA, NTA, FTA, TTFHA-
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Re: Mark of the beast comes from the middle east
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Idk what monergistic means never seen that word before today, but the Bible says this
Acts 17:24-27 KJV God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands; [25] Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things; [26] And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation; [27] That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:
See the Bible says God hath made of one blood all nations of men and that they should seek the Lord
Matthew 7:6 KJV Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine.... -OFBA, NTA, FTA, TTFHA-
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Re: Mark of the beast comes from the middle east
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Salvation is monergistic, a supernatural work of God. Regeneration is birth; sanctification is growth.
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Re: Mark of the beast comes from the middle east
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Salvation is monergistic, a supernatural work of God. Regeneration is birth; sanctification is growth. Yes. Regeneration is monergistic, sanctification is synergistic.
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Re: Mark of the beast comes from the middle east
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Mark, I don't see myself off course, I see you putting your own personal beliefs to the word. You spin Matthew 18;20 into how those two consider the Grace of God where I see it as truth in the word, where two or more shall gather he is with them.
There are Scriptures about the Church and gathering in belief. However I hold strong that any Man or Women can find, accept our Lord and Savior on their own, as a individual. You don't need to be in Church to accept Christ as your Savior, the road to Damascus proved that. And when we think we are or aren't off course, we're encouraged to run it by others in humility and with an earnest attempt to seek truth, not the win.
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Re: Mark of the beast comes from the middle east
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Mark, I don't see myself off course, I see you putting your own personal beliefs to the word. You spin Matthew 18;20 into how those two consider the Grace of God where I see it as truth in the word, where two or more shall gather he is with them.
There are Scriptures about the Church and gathering in belief. However I hold strong that any Man or Women can find, accept our Lord and Savior on their own, as a individual. You don't need to be in Church to accept Christ as your Savior, the road to Damascus proved that. And when we think we are or aren't off course, we're encouraged to run it by others in humility and with an earnest attempt to seek truth, not the win. Except when the blind lead the blind and they both fall in the ditch!
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Re: Mark of the beast comes from the middle east
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See the Bible says God hath made of one blood all nations of men and that they should seek the Lord But they all do not. They don't come to the light because they don't want their deeds reproved. Think on that for a moment
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Re: Mark of the beast comes from the middle east
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The father of all lies believes in God. We can assume the deceiver knows Scripture front to back, so he knows how the story of God ends. So we can assume that his divisive tactics are real and alive but some of us won't play along. At all.
Blessings, Mark
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Re: Mark of the beast comes from the middle east
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So I did a word search on the term "monergistic" big word. Means a whole lot but it's not in the Bible anywhere ![[Linked Image]](https://trapperman.com/forum/attachments/usergals/2023/01/full-48527-165065-screenshot_20230115_184429_bible.jpg) So I did the typical Google search to see what all the hooplah is about this term "monergistic" and my initial gut feeling is this is horse feathers at its finest. This is just some reformed, Calvinistic doctrine that man had no free will and only God will determine if and when you are saved. This is why you folks are contending with the clear scripture I have layed out in this thread. You don't believe the gospel. You believe you are special and saved by God because he chose you. That's rich. Here are a couple verses to destroy this garbage doctrine you believe.nfrom the Bible none the less. Revelation 22:17 KJV And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely. Whosoever John 3:15-16 KJV That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. [16] For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. Whosoever John 12:44-46 KJV Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on me, believeth not on me, but on him that sent me. [45] And he that seeth me seeth him that sent me. [46] I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness. Whosoever Acts 10:43 KJV To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins. Whosoever, notice in Acts Paul affirms the truth and you learn that remission of sins comes when you believe. Not before when you "repent of sins" lol Acts 10:43 KJV To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins. Whosoever John 11:25-26 KJV Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: [26] And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this? Jesus with his own mouth on this one. Believest thou this? No you don't, you believe some made up horse feathers designed to turn people away from the true Gospel. Is sad. You should repent
Matthew 7:6 KJV Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine.... -OFBA, NTA, FTA, TTFHA-
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Re: Mark of the beast comes from the middle east
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The father of all lies believes in God. We can assume the deceiver knows Scripture front to back, so he knows how the story of God ends. So we can assume that his divisive tactics are real and alive but some of us won't play along. At all.
Blessings, Mark Wow, from being likened to an Andersonite, then to a Individualist, a Pharisee, then a separatist and now a devil. You guys did all that in 16 pages. Congrats. You should well know Mark that God never called any angel a son, as he did all those who believe on Jesus. They cannot be saved nor filled with the Holy Spirit. So the straw man arguments, and name calling just further exposes the fact that you have no scripture to prove any of the man-made doctrines you prescribe to. In fact you might as well be a heretic cuz you actually teach this don't you? Here is what the Bible says about sons, faith, and angels who will never be called as such, in case you made your last statement in error due to ignorance. John 1:10-14 KJV He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. [11] He came unto his own, and his own received him not. [12] But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: [13] Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. [14] And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. Notice in verse 12 how AS MANY as received Christ are called sons of God. And it defines received by saying, even to them that believe on his name. Hebrews 1:3-6 KJV Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; [4] Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they. [5] For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? [6] And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him. See God never called the angels sons, because angels cannot be saved. They believe because they know the truth. That's what believing is, you however don't, and seem to hold the truth in unrighteousness. Remember the term whosoever next time y'all do a Bible study and maybe humble yourself before God and his word and you won't get confounded publicly for being such a heretic. JS
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Matthew 7:6 KJV Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine.... -OFBA, NTA, FTA, TTFHA-
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Re: Mark of the beast comes from the middle east
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Monergism...the doctrine of election, is in the Bible from start to finish. People wonder why the church is so anemic today. It's because a watered-down Arminian gospel has the pews filled with tares.
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Re: Mark of the beast comes from the middle east
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I don't think in my time at those advanced studies in theology at seminary I remember ever having talked theology with anyone from 90 countries in a 17th century English. How intriguing. All of us, regardless of what language was native to us, learned Kione Greek and Hebrew hoping that our observation, interpretation, and application hermeneutics were made more accurately. The original Greek, with its 7 tenses, (English has three: past, present, and future) is wonderful and it's no accident Jesus' preaching and teaching was recorded in it. So we gather tougher, one with another and encourage, reproof, correct and on occasion rebuke... with compassion and grace.
Blessings, Mark
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Re: Mark of the beast comes from the middle east
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Trinity as a word appears nowhere in the Bible, does that diminish the doctrine?
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Re: Mark of the beast comes from the middle east
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Mr. Smith, my post about the enemy was not aimed at you. If I aim my post at you, I'll put your name on it or quote you, but most of my posts are general in nature. The 17th century English was aimed at you for a reason.
Blessings, Mark
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Re: Mark of the beast comes from the middle east
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No it does not. It's not in the Bible and I'd doesn't diminish the doctrine at all. See the doctrine is in the Bible. Which is why we believe it. Forget what you call it. Trinity just means 3 in 1. It comes from this verses
1 John 5:7 KJV For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
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Matthew 7:6 KJV Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine.... -OFBA, NTA, FTA, TTFHA-
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Re: Mark of the beast comes from the middle east
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Mr. Smith, my post about the enemy was not aimed at you. If I aim my post at you, I'll put your name on it or quote you, but most of my posts are general in nature. The 17th century English was aimed at you for a reason.
Blessings, Mark Fair enough As to 17th century English. I don't speak ancient Hebrew or Kione Greek, but I do speak English. Good thing it's God's job to preserve his word, or else we might get Bibles like the Darby translation and the NIV lol Psalm 12:6-8 KJV The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. [7] Thou shalt keep them, O Lord, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever. [8] The wicked walk on every side, when the vilest men are exalted.
Matthew 7:6 KJV Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine.... -OFBA, NTA, FTA, TTFHA-
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Re: Mark of the beast comes from the middle east
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No it does not. It's not in the Bible and I'd doesn't diminish the doctrine at all. See the doctrine is in the Bible. Which is why we believe it. Forget what you call it. Trinity just means 3 in 1. It comes from this verses
1 John 5:7 KJV For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
Every verse you mentioned above can be harmonized with the doctrine of election. You have a more difficult time trying to shoehorn the words "elect" and "chosen" into your theology. Try it.
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