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Re: Heads up Canada < NOT A JOKE [Re: yukon254] #7779276
01/22/23 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by yukon254


Originally Posted by drasselt

Honing a Solution
Most fur trapping is done in winter when underfur is dense and guard hairs are long. Given that grizzly bears hibernate for the winter, trappers should generally be able to avoid accidently catching bears. However, some trapping seasons open in late fall, such as the marten season in much of British Columbia which opens November 1 and extends to February 15. Reducing the overlap between the bear active season and trapping seasons is one solution to reducing the loss of bear toes and allowing trappers to not lose their traps and have their sets destroyed. This solution has been previously used in southeast British Columbia used to avoid catching and killing bears in neck snares set for wolves, an issue first documented by the Flathead project.
We summarized the den entry and exit dates for 61 animal-years in the Elk Valley to assess when bears were denning in the fall. We found that the median den entry date (i.e., the date when 50% of bears had denned) was November 06, and the 95th quantile of den entry was November 22, revealing a critical 3-week period of overlap between active bears and the trapping season. We found no overlap between den emergence and the end of the trapping season; thus we focus on fall trapping as the source of the issue. Shifting the start of most trapping that overlaps with, and could attract bears, to December 1 would essentially eliminate this overlap.

Indeed, such a change to the regulations was proposed in 2019 but was not implemented. Much of the trapped landscape within the Kootenays is in rugged mountainous terrain and many trappers, especially in the west Kootenays, reported that they were effectively unable to access their traplines for much of the winter beginning in early December due to high avalanche risk and associated safety concerns. The trappers reported they did most of their trapping in early December or before, and that shortening the season to December 1st would remove their ability to harvest marten from their trapline. As a result, provincial biologists implemented a condition on all active trapping licenses within the Kootenay region stipulating that, beginning in 2021, all body grip traps set for marten during the month of November must be enclosed in a box with an opening no larger than 3 1&#8260;2 inches. This narrowed entrance was thought to be narrower than most bear paws. The updated licenses also recommended using these enclosed boxes when setting similarly sized killing traps for other species on dry ground prior to December 1st. The efficacy of the modified enclosure in eliminating bear toe loss has not yet been tested, but these modified marten trap boxes are believed to be sufficient to ensure grizzly bears are not able to access a set trap if implemented by all trappers. Given that there is more uncertainty in the effectiveness the modified enclosure approach compared to a change in seasons, we recommend that compliance and efficacy is monitored to ensure this intervention is effective and uptake is high. Such monitoring would allow for adaptive management and changes to the approach as needed and ensure a successful outcome for bears and trappers alike.



The idea that a wooden box with a small hole is going to stop a grizzly ( or a black bear ) is laughable. I've seen them rip the doors off cabins, and even go right through the walls. Leave your marten boxes out in the off season and see how many you have left intact by fall.


Perhaps the idea isn’t to stop the bear. Rather stop them from getting their fingers in them

Re: Heads up Canada < NOT A JOKE [Re: Brian Mongeau] #7779287
01/22/23 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Brian Mongeau
Well, what do I know? I've never seen a martin or a grizz. grin Just making conversation. Maybe toe caught in a wolf trap? What other theories would explain it, birth defects?

Ever think FIGHTING with another BEAR?????? Look at where their paws are when they fight!!!! Right at the face and MOUTH!!!!!


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Re: Heads up Canada < NOT A JOKE [Re: drasselt] #7779290
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Originally Posted by drasselt
If they're making it up what's their end goal? Doesn't seem like they're really trying to stick it to the trappers. Don't get mad I'm not an anti!

They will if they can blame the Conibears!!! Just like their usual attacks!!! Start and keep chipping away until like Florida ALL Traps are banned!!!!


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Re: Heads up Canada < NOT A JOKE [Re: drasselt] #7779301
01/22/23 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by drasselt
If they're making it up what's their end goal? Doesn't seem like they're really trying to stick it to the trappers. Don't get mad I'm not an anti!

They will if they can blame the Conibears!!! Just like their usual attacks!!! Start and keep chipping away until like Florida ALL Traps are banned!!!! If you knew ANYTHING you would not be making BS as a fact!!! Just watch two Bears fight!!! A study of four Bears is just more BS against trappers and their made up BS like BOCA proved it was a trap not even allowed nice and shiny and new!! But their targets seem to be the ones that believe anything like a Biden Supporter!!!!


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Re: Heads up Canada < NOT A JOKE [Re: Boco] #7779309
01/22/23 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Boco
Antis are too stupid to know that only aihts approved traps are used for marten in Canada-the pictures of the bears with traps had brand new looking traps and illegal traps at that.
Hoax.

A bear can rip the door off a car to get a bag of chips He can remove a piece of wire from his toe.

Now that the coyote market has dropped, the last moneymaker for trappers is marten - thats the target.They like to hit us in the pocketbook.

I agree


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Re: Heads up Canada < NOT A JOKE [Re: rags57078] #7779316
01/22/23 10:49 AM
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I would be more inclined to think these bears lost toes from lids on big garbage dumpsters amputating them,.If they are around park's and people.? Just a thought.

Re: Heads up Canada < NOT A JOKE [Re: drasselt] #7779319
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Originally Posted by drasselt

Honing a Solution
Most fur trapping is done in winter when underfur is dense and guard hairs are long. Given that grizzly bears hibernate for the winter, trappers should generally be able to avoid accidently catching bears. However, some trapping seasons open in late fall, such as the marten season in much of British Columbia which opens November 1 and extends to February 15. Reducing the overlap between the bear active season and trapping seasons is one solution to reducing the loss of bear toes and allowing trappers to not lose their traps and have their sets destroyed. This solution has been previously used in southeast British Columbia used to avoid catching and killing bears in neck snares set for wolves, an issue first documented by the Flathead project.
We summarized the den entry and exit dates for 61 animal-years in the Elk Valley to assess when bears were denning in the fall. We found that the median den entry date (i.e., the date when 50% of bears had denned) was November 06, and the 95th quantile of den entry was November 22, revealing a critical 3-week period of overlap between active bears and the trapping season. We found no overlap between den emergence and the end of the trapping season; thus we focus on fall trapping as the source of the issue. Shifting the start of most trapping that overlaps with, and could attract bears, to December 1 would essentially eliminate this overlap.

Indeed, such a change to the regulations was proposed in 2019 but was not implemented. Much of the trapped landscape within the Kootenays is in rugged mountainous terrain and many trappers, especially in the west Kootenays, reported that they were effectively unable to access their traplines for much of the winter beginning in early December due to high avalanche risk and associated safety concerns. The trappers reported they did most of their trapping in early December or before, and that shortening the season to December 1st would remove their ability to harvest marten from their trapline. As a result, provincial biologists implemented a condition on all active trapping licenses within the Kootenay region stipulating that, beginning in 2021, all body grip traps set for marten during the month of November must be enclosed in a box with an opening no larger than 3 1&#8260;2 inches. This narrowed entrance was thought to be narrower than most bear paws. The updated licenses also recommended using these enclosed boxes when setting similarly sized killing traps for other species on dry ground prior to December 1st. The efficacy of the modified enclosure in eliminating bear toe loss has not yet been tested, but these modified marten trap boxes are believed to be sufficient to ensure grizzly bears are not able to access a set trap if implemented by all trappers. Given that there is more uncertainty in the effectiveness the modified enclosure approach compared to a change in seasons, we recommend that compliance and efficacy is monitored to ensure this intervention is effective and uptake is high. Such monitoring would allow for adaptive management and changes to the approach as needed and ensure a successful outcome for bears and trappers alike.

BINGO!!! Drasselt just gave away his BS ANTI Narrative!!! Once again he wants the TRAPPER and their TRAPPING Narrative. They get their start exactly like this!!! Chip away until it is all GONE!!!!


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Re: Heads up Canada < NOT A JOKE [Re: rags57078] #7779320
01/22/23 10:52 AM
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Boy that bio really earned his Phd too bad it stands for PILE it HIGHER and DEEPER

Re: Heads up Canada < NOT A JOKE [Re: ] #7779322
01/22/23 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Mark June
At the other end of the spectrum, rumors abound that "migrants" coming across America's southern border are missing toes from trappers like me setting "leg traps" on roads/pipeline easements/sanderos.
shocked

Quit using tacos for bait!! blush


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Re: Heads up Canada < NOT A JOKE [Re: yukon254] #7779362
01/22/23 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by yukon254


Originally Posted by drasselt

Honing a Solution
Most fur trapping is done in winter when underfur is dense and guard hairs are long. Given that grizzly bears hibernate for the winter, trappers should generally be able to avoid accidently catching bears. However, some trapping seasons open in late fall, such as the marten season in much of British Columbia which opens November 1 and extends to February 15. Reducing the overlap between the bear active season and trapping seasons is one solution to reducing the loss of bear toes and allowing trappers to not lose their traps and have their sets destroyed. This solution has been previously used in southeast British Columbia used to avoid catching and killing bears in neck snares set for wolves, an issue first documented by the Flathead project.
We summarized the den entry and exit dates for 61 animal-years in the Elk Valley to assess when bears were denning in the fall. We found that the median den entry date (i.e., the date when 50% of bears had denned) was November 06, and the 95th quantile of den entry was November 22, revealing a critical 3-week period of overlap between active bears and the trapping season. We found no overlap between den emergence and the end of the trapping season; thus we focus on fall trapping as the source of the issue. Shifting the start of most trapping that overlaps with, and could attract bears, to December 1 would essentially eliminate this overlap.

Indeed, such a change to the regulations was proposed in 2019 but was not implemented. Much of the trapped landscape within the Kootenays is in rugged mountainous terrain and many trappers, especially in the west Kootenays, reported that they were effectively unable to access their traplines for much of the winter beginning in early December due to high avalanche risk and associated safety concerns. The trappers reported they did most of their trapping in early December or before, and that shortening the season to December 1st would remove their ability to harvest marten from their trapline. As a result, provincial biologists implemented a condition on all active trapping licenses within the Kootenay region stipulating that, beginning in 2021, all body grip traps set for marten during the month of November must be enclosed in a box with an opening no larger than 3 1&#8260;2 inches. This narrowed entrance was thought to be narrower than most bear paws. The updated licenses also recommended using these enclosed boxes when setting similarly sized killing traps for other species on dry ground prior to December 1st. The efficacy of the modified enclosure in eliminating bear toe loss has not yet been tested, but these modified marten trap boxes are believed to be sufficient to ensure grizzly bears are not able to access a set trap if implemented by all trappers. Given that there is more uncertainty in the effectiveness the modified enclosure approach compared to a change in seasons, we recommend that compliance and efficacy is monitored to ensure this intervention is effective and uptake is high. Such monitoring would allow for adaptive management and changes to the approach as needed and ensure a successful outcome for bears and trappers alike.



The idea that a wooden box with a small hole is going to stop a grizzly ( or a black bear ) is laughable. I've seen them rip the doors off cabins, and even go right through the walls. Leave your marten boxes out in the off season and see how many you have left intact by fall.


Its not to stop the bear its to stop the bear from getting the trap on its foot, if it cant get its foot in the box odds are well trying the trap will be sprung. The small hole size (modified boxs) is to also help prevent fishers etc from being caught.

Re: Heads up Canada < NOT A JOKE [Re: nimzy] #7779365
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Perhaps the idea is to stop trapping. Anyone with any sense at all knows that a Martin trap will not cut off the fingers of a bear. The idea that traps are making bears lose fingers is laughable and this is my 1st year trapping but the 62 year hunting and playing in the woods from Alaska to Texas to Florida. Trapping is not causing the loss of fingers on bears.

Re: Heads up Canada < NOT A JOKE [Re: Spike369] #7779368
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Originally Posted by Spike369
Perhaps the idea is to stop trapping. Anyone with any sense at all knows that a Martin trap will not cut off the fingers of a bear. The idea that traps are making bears lose fingers is laughable and this is my 1st year trapping but the 62 year hunting and playing in the woods from Alaska to Texas to Florida. Trapping is not causing the loss of fingers on bears.

Yup. They don't give a (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) about bear toes. They want your traps.

Re: Heads up Canada < NOT A JOKE [Re: Roofbolter] #7779463
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Originally Posted by Roofbolter

BINGO!!! Drasselt just gave away his BS ANTI Narrative!!! Once again he wants the TRAPPER and their TRAPPING Narrative.!!!!



Genius speaks lol


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Re: Heads up Canada < NOT A JOKE [Re: rags57078] #7779471
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"One solution would be to ban trapping in November, when many grizzlies are still active. But some in the fur business worried that delaying trapping until the deep winter would be dangerous because of the risk of avalanche in bear country.

"That would be a fairly blunt instrument to a problem that we can likely solve with a bit more of a nuanced approach," said Doug Chiasson, executive director of the Fur Institute of Canada, which represents and set standards for trappers.

For Tim Killey, a trapper who leads the British Columbia Trappers Association, another trade group, preventing bears from being ensnared is important for the industry to keep its "social license" in the face of anti-fur sentime"

I suppose these guys are antis too lol.


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Re: Heads up Canada < NOT A JOKE [Re: rags57078] #7779485
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Drasselt the job positions those guys hold you quoted above unfortunately goes way over the heads of some of the prior posters comprehension
but it is good you brought it up

Re: Heads up Canada < NOT A JOKE [Re: drasselt] #7779509
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Originally Posted by drasselt
Originally Posted by Roofbolter

BINGO!!! Drasselt just gave away his BS ANTI Narrative!!! Once again he wants the TRAPPER and their TRAPPING Narrative.!!!!



Genius speaks lol

Yes it does!!! Smarter than someone who thinks Conibears are going to cause a Bear to lose its toes!!! THAT is the DUMBEST LIE I EVER HEARD!!! Watch two bears fight and watch how their claws arein each others Face!!! Now go back to your Anti Hut!!!!


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Re: Heads up Canada < NOT A JOKE [Re: Roofbolter] #7779595
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I wonder if this was caused by a marten trap smile [Linked Image]

Re: Heads up Canada < NOT A JOKE [Re: rags57078] #7779660
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Regardless of the reason any bear is missing toes. Grizzly populations are at all time highs in many areas for the last century, and marten trapping was going on that whole time. I think this is another "ploy" to bad mouth trapping.

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Go ahead northern boys. Just like your weapons and other freedoms, they just want what’s best for you. Remember that…. We have our own problems here to deal with I know, but yours unfortunately has snowballed quickly these past few years. At some point fellas we have to say enough is enough and draw the proverbial line in the sand. Then be prepared to fight when they cross!


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Re: Heads up Canada < NOT A JOKE [Re: TC1] #7779707
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Originally Posted by TC1
Go ahead northern boys. Just like your weapons and other freedoms, they just want what’s best for you. Remember that…. We have our own problems here to deal with I know, but yours unfortunately has snowballed quickly these past few years. At some point fellas we have to say enough is enough and draw the proverbial line in the sand. Then be prepared to fight when they cross!


Agreed. wy.wolfer made a good point as well.


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