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Re: Gun guys Rem 700 question [Re: jbyrd63] #7779572
01/22/23 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by jbyrd63
Yes it was one reason Remington filed bankruptcy. I know of 6 buddies that had them to go off on closing the bolt or pushing off the safety . ALL OF THEM had adjust the trigger pull . I have a 700 bdl in 6 mm and my son had one in 270 . I bought the 6 mm in 1979 for 200 bucks with a k-6 weaver on it . Trapped grey foxes to pay for it . It has had 1000’ s of rounds thru it and never an issue with discharge. Been many a groundhog died on the other end of that little rifle. Plus too many deer to remember.
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I have adjusted 100's of Remington 700 triggers. I clean both the bolt and trigger . That is the first thing you do to ensure good engagement. If they would have did these steps the rifles would not go off. After I get the trigger where I want it. I put it back in the stock and do this.

Cycle bolt as fast and hard as you would when hunting.

After that put on safe and bang the butt stock on a pillow. Take it off safe and repeat. If it goes off the trigger does not have a good enough sear engagement. Add a few more oz to the trigger and try again.

Re: Gun guys Rem 700 question [Re: 52Carl] #7779643
01/22/23 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by 52Carl
Do this with any 700 with the original Walker trigger.
With an unloaded rifle securely supported on a bench (bipods or heavy bag), have one person place the pad of their trigger finger on the trigger, applying enough pressure on the trigger to leave a fingerprint. Now have another person ease the safety forward to the fire position.
Many of them will go off from that tiny bit of pressure on the trigger.
Walker knew this and strongly urged Remington to upgrade HIS design to prevent this from happening. Remington decided not to due to the increase in costs per rifle to do so. Anyone care to guess what that cost per rifle amount was?


I remember watching a news show like 60 minutes or some other one, can’t remember the cost to upgrade the trigger and it was low, less than $5.00?

Re: Gun guys Rem 700 question [Re: Yes sir] #7779760
01/22/23 07:44 PM
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wasn't asa much the cost to Remington for doing the up grade as the liability cost if they abmitted the wrong doing

Re: Gun guys Rem 700 question [Re: HayDay] #7779767
01/22/23 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by HayDay
I'm familiar with an exact twin to the rifle jbyrd is holding. Purchased new in 1978. Before it had 100 rounds thru it, it had gone off on it's own when closing the bolt at least twice and maybe a third time, and nobody had touched the trigger adjustment. Was accurate enough to plink beer cans at 100 yards, so was accurate enough to plug deer, and it did.

Fast forward a few years and with 6mm Rem factory ammo unobtainable, I'm now reloading for it, with high expectations of one hole wonder accuracy. Now on paper with a decent shooter and a 5 shot group would eventually open up to 1.5 to 2 inches or more. What gives?

First thing was to replace the heavy pull trigger (about 5 or 6 pounds) with Timney trigger set at 2 pounds. That seems to have solved heavy pull and discharge problem.

Next was to realize that as these rifles left the factory, the action and barrel contacts the wood stock in three places. Two rear action screws pulling tight against wood stock, and a 3rd contact / pressure point just aft of the black spacer on the fore end of the stock. Put there intentionally by Remington and affecting harmonics of the barrel. General consensus the forward bump helps accuracy for the first or second shot, but if you keep shooting, the lightweight sporter barrel heats up, expands and starts pressing against that bump, which deflects barrel enough to send bullets elsewhere. One gunsmith also told me with or without the bump, a lightweight mass produced sporter barrel of this type can do that on it's own. As barrel heats up, groups open up. Nature of the beast. Or at least can be. Getting a good one that doesn't is possible, but a crap shoot. Same with action. Can be good, or not so much.

My dad had a nearly identical 700 BDL in 270 Win, which was a late 60's era gun, it has never misfired even once and is a 1 MOA gun or better. to my knowledge, original trigger (about 3 pounds), and same light sporter barrel. Original bedding, bump and all. Rifles like his are what set the standard and why they were so popular.




Hay day I shoot an 87 gr spritzer with 48 grains of 4831 . It will shoot 1/2 groups at 100 all day. 2 of the 3 will almost be in the same hole but the third is always got the triangle. Factory corelocky 80 or 100 gr and it was 7/8 to 1 in at 100. Some loads I messed with years ago it was bad. 1-3 in groups . But I haven't changed the load in that rifle for over 20 years.

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