Surely you cant be that gullible,lol.

Perhaps I am, but I think you may be the gullible one.

For example, lots of people in the last four administrations lied to the American people and stole tons of money in tax dollars. None of them went to prison. Fauci, Schiff, Hillary, etc. are all liars and even caught on it, but they are off free as a bird, and many of them still getting a tax dollar paycheck. Seems the ones that go to jail or the ones that aren't in the group or say/expose the said group and then they go to the big house. By now, we all know the FBI is corrupt and can't be trusted, even the CIA. The money system itself is a fraud and this inflation we are dealing with is nothing more than organized, legalized theft of the citizenry. Where am I wrong?

Lets not digress though, what about that link I posted was incorrect?

The legit uke govt was toppled in 14. Zely is the leader of an illegitimate govt.

Who put Zelensky there Marty?

Finnish/Russian Winter War of 1939.
The Finns were better. Better soldiers, better winter soldiers, better outdoors-men. Russians were just conscripts. Finns killed them 10 to 1 but in the end the Russians won by sheer numbers. Finns would kill 10, the Russians would send over 10 more. Literally, some Finn machine gunners started having mental issues from the massacre of Russian troops. Finally the Finnish capitulated in March of 40, gave up the Karelina Isthmus and some area around Lake Ladoga. They got the Ruskies back later though, they joined the Germans.

Anyway, I'm wondering if that is how this is going to play out. No matter how good the Ukies are and I think they are pretty good, the Russians will overwhelm them with numbers of half frozen gopnicks carrying Mosin Nagant and rusty AK 47 rifles. Attrition of people and materials.
All of Europe could unite and probably kick their arse in a conventional war but they aren't going to. They don't want to commit, just like WWll against the Germans. The British and French did but it was too little too late. They are going to wait around and sit on their hands and wait till the Americans do something. Then maybe they could come in behind and get some licks in.

The eu/usa backed the new government after they paid for the coup in 14.

Zely was elected. So was biden....

More propaganda.
You need to factcheck your links.
This guy writes for a conspiracy theory group called wikispook.
You are a traitor to the west regurgitating that garbage.
A useful idiot for the commie axis.

Dang why does that sound so similar to what was going on in the US in the 1860s?

^^^^^
This!!
The west has no stomach for this war unless it will be over by dinner time; and it won't be.

No worries waggler, the reports from our field lines will be in keeping with our times....
"Officer! Officer!"
"Call me sir soldier."
"Can't Officer, they told us in bootcamp training that proper pronouns can't include gender terms like sir, officer."
"I don't give a crud about some bootcamp training hooey, now spit it our, what's on your mind son."
"Can't call me son, officer. That's gender specific language. I can report you to the higher ups."
"Well you're a daggum man ain't ya?"
"Can't ask that either officer. And I don't have to tell you whether I'm a them or a they."
"What in tar nation are you saying son? You make no sense."
"There it is again officer. You're not hearing me. You can't say the word son in the military now."

Meanwhile, on the enemy flank.
"Kill all the mens and capture all the womens.
"I see in the binocs some banter going on."
"It seems the general is talking for an awfully long time to his subordinate, over what we do not care."
"Shoot both of them now."

The horrors of war don't include proper pronouns.

Marty is a commie?
Good to know.

Russia got their hand caught in the grinder. Those Ukies got some fight in'm.

The U.S. has been at war since 1952 or whenever it was. Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan Iraq. There were a few years in there when there were not any U.S. military in harms way but not many. We split Korea in half. Thats been a thorn ever since. We just left Vietnam. We just left Afghanistan. Now you can visit Vietnam as a tourist and the people are thriving. When the fighting was going on we were told the evil Chinese and Russians were going to enslave the poor people of Vietnam. (seems like that may be true for n. korea) It appears life is back to normal in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The U.S. is not threatened.

War with Russia and life as we know it is over. Russia does not want that either. Wont be any different for them. Mutually assured destruction.

Nazi is just an acronym for National Socialist. The kill the jews thing doesn't have to be part of the plan though I suppose it still could. Not many jews left in Ukraine. Not many in Russia either. Both countries were killing them long before Hitler showed up. Not in camps but they have never been very welcome. 1/2 the worlds jews live in Israel now.

Its not hard to think that the current government in Ukraine are National Socialists.

Whatever they are the U.S. needs to quit letting Europeans tangle us up in their incessant fighting. They been fighting with each other for at least 1000 years.

We gasp and sigh over over African tribal conflicts yet here we are...........

Boco, do you look in the mirror? Maybe you're a "useful idiot" for corporate/government media and the global financial cartel posing as "democratically elected" national governments? What's the Canadian equivalent of the CIA or does MI6 just do that work up there? Do you regurgitate corporate/government media for free or do you get a little kick in your electronic bank account from the pay masters for your forum posting work.?? If not, you're getting ripped off, lots of paid trolls out there on various forums doing that part of 5th generation warfare...

The crew training doesn't seem like a big deal to me...at all. It's been a while, but we got 2 weeks of training when we went from M60A3 to M1. A driver or loader could be trained really quick. Driving an M1 is easy and super fun! Gunning is actually very easy too. Kids these days should be able to pick up very quickly.

Crew maintenance is pretty basic and it's all in a manual. I guess they need English speakers to read it or get copies in Ukrainian/Russian.

It's the "real" maintenance that will be the problem.

My guess is that Ukraine will end up getting a little bit of ground back in the South. Russia ends up with what the have in the East and a strip going to Crimea, which they will also keep. But, who knows?!

If you think Hitler was a socialist you need to brush up on your history and how Hitler used the Nadsp to seize power as a far right wing(Facist)Dictator

Monroe Doctrine, (December 2, 1823), cornerstone of U.S. foreign policy enunciated by Pres. James Monroe in his annual message to Congress. Declaring that the Old World and New World had different systems and must remain distinct spheres, Monroe made four basic points: (1) the United States would not interfere in the internal affairs of or the wars between European powers; (2) the United States recognized and would not interfere with existing colonies and dependencies in the Western Hemisphere; (3) the Western Hemisphere was closed to future colonization; and (4) any attempt by a European power to oppress or control any nation in the Western Hemisphere would be viewed as a hostile act against the United States:

They just re defined what was designated as east and west.
Nothing is set in stone-everything can be changed to suit.