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Danny, you didnt read all I wrote, evidently. IF those officers are proven by due process to be thoroughly out of line, then so be it. They deserve the sentencing.
I believe in due process , following the law of prosecution.
And, I did agree by saying they could have hooked him up in a fraction of the time , instead of wrestling with him for minutes. Same thing of the Rodney King episode.
Regarding your wife beating comment, I'm not even going to stoop to show you the difference of the two.
Never used anymore force then needed to get the situation under control never punched anyone. I did stop a Officer that got head butted once by leaning into the area moving him out of reach of the guy. The guy later apologized to the Office for being stupid.
Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that!
Here’s my take…I do not condone what the officers did, but I understand it. It’s their fault, but it’s not. It’s the entire Law Enforcement policy in all 50 States. Now hear me out…our military understands this and that’s why you serve a deployment of 6-12 months in combat and off for 6-12 months. Imagine waking up everyday in some of these towns knowing it could very well be your last. There is NO amount of training or adrenaline to last day after day, year after year, decade after decade to sustain that kind of pressure. How many here have truly had a possible life or death experience and that adrenaline kick in and you can do things you never thought possible. How many have been so high on adrenaline in that moment and act (good or bad) and know you shouldn’t do what what you’re doing, but couldn’t stop? It can and does happen as seen in this instance and others.
Our military trains you to survive and to kill. Now they can’t have you doing that for 20 straight years, so they train you, send you on a deployment for 6-12 months, then they bring you home to rest and relax. You’ll debrief, speak to psychologists, get back to “normalcy” then start the process all over again. BUT before you’re ever sent back, you’ll train, you’ll run scenarios, you see a shrink, and you’ll be signed off as good to go. After so many years of this you move up/advance or decide to get out. But you’ll be deemed somewhat still sane, lol.
I’m my opinion, LEO’s, EMT’s, etc all need time off after so long to get back to that normalcy. Let the police be of street duty for a year, then have them come in and teach what they’ve learned. Give them clerical work for a month, let them run the armory. Then before time to hit the streets again, start that training, firearm proficiency, tactics, non lethal use of force before sending them back out again.
Adrenaline can be a life saver or it can make you a killer even if you aren’t one.
I heard today that part of the problem is they can’t find people that want to do the job. They have lowered the standards to the point of giving qualifying waivers for folks with a felony past.
One common denominator in most of these issues is the failure to follow simple directions but in this case I’d say these guys engaged in this activity on a regular basis. No excuse for it just get control and load him up if you can’t do that send him on his way unharmed.
Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that!
All this is a very upsetting event. The police in that city are down 500 officers since the woke regime defunded them, spitting on them, burning their cruisers, threatening their lives and their families.
Just like some soldiers I know who came home from the war and were mistreated horribly. Except these policemen have no safe space behind front lines.
Still doesn't excuse what these men did .
It just means that everyone is on a knife edge .
I'm just wanting to hear the officer's side of things, as they surely knew their good jobs would be shot forever in what they did.
Wanna be, Osha doesn't even list LEO in the top ten most dangerous jobs. Last I knew it was #14.
I imagine because of it being an average nationwide. Going to work as a county cop in your county, or mine... would be a whole different ballgame then working the ghetto in a major city. I think being a cop in a rural county, small town or even small city would be pretty safe. But in an urban craphole?
Wanna be, Osha doesn't even list LEO in the top ten most dangerous jobs. Last I knew it was #14.
I imagine because of it being an average nationwide. Going to work as a county cop in your county, or mine... would be a whole different ballgame then working the ghetto in a major city. I think being a cop in a rural county, small town or even small city would be pretty safe. But in an urban craphole?
I think you nailed it. Fighting fires is dangerous no matter where you are but as you pointed out, busting a couple kids in the country for drinking wine and smoking is much different than chasing kids through the ghetto.
They live in a whole different world that I don’t understand or want to.Living in rural America makes the difference, people raised in the ghetto have no chance as long as they stay in that type of environment
The officers were using mace spraying the victim's eyes in what looked to me like a punitive measure. What that does is put a person in absolute non-thinking panic. They had him under control and said "stand back" while they sprayed his eyes. Purely punitive action in my mind and his panicked reaction provided an excuse for continued beating.
They all knew they were on body cam. That means either that the body cam footage is never reviewed by mgmt unless a death results, or that the behavior is considered acceptable by the police dept management.
As others have opined in the media, this looked personal. No reason for the stop and immediate action to pull the victim from the vehicle raises a lot of questions. If I were to make a guess, the victim was having a relationship with the wife/GF of one of the officers involved or in the unit. We may never know.
They live in a whole different world that I don’t understand or want to.Living in rural America makes the difference, people raised in the ghetto have no chance as long as they stay in that type of environment