Had this Email this morning.



GOA is filing a law suit to fight it. Asking for money. Trying to stop

Sounds like a scare tactic to me especially the request for an unsolicited donation.

Nothing like buying your Rights. Seems like we buy that Right every couple years using money. I wonder how often we would have to buy it if we bought it with blood.

Seems like the goal for lots of anti gun/outdoor groups is to keep people spending money to try and keep what they have. I would rather avoid another civil war. Sure does seem like there are many who think its a good idea. On both sides.

Hobbie so long as there is beer and Monday night football I doubt many Americans are willing to shed blood. Bill of rights is just not important to many.

Judges will do whatever they want no matter how much money is spent. I suspect 99.99% of the time they already know how they will rule before the attorney's ever begin a debate.

A jury is a different story. Often the trial is more like a high school class president election. A popularity contest rather than a look at evidence.

Can’t argue with any of that Danny.

It may have already happened, but expect lawsuits to be filed. A Judge will decide whether to stay this latest overreach. Hopefully more than one and, for me, one in the 10th Circuit.

Danny, I always tell clients to read Facebook comments on a news story. That's your jury pool and it's getting worse.

Nope, not at all. The AFT is deadly serious. Your previously 100% legal pistol is now a NFA short rifle by a change of the rules failure to to register said rifle is a federal felony. But here's the kicker you cannot build said pistol unless it is registered ahead of time. Hence the grace period to get right with the AFT.

Now for the punchline. Any application for registration that fails to be approved FOR WHATEVER REASON INCLUDING AFT INABILITY TO PROCESS IT within 81 days is an automatic denial. At that point you are in possession of an unregistered NFA item and you provided a photo, your name and home address. Instant felon.

There are literally millions of these previously legal items out there and the current AFT processing waiting period is months.

And guess what if you happened to purchase one of the also previously legal Shockwave type firearms it too is now a NFA short barreled shotgun via arbitrary rule change.

They done did a massive bait and switch that's going to make instant felons out of millions of law abiding gun owners.

And the only ones that can change this are Congress by reasserting their legislative authority or SCOTUS thinking the AFT for usurping authority they do not have.

And Congress is out to lunch. So to the courts it must go.

About every other generation.

What about mass non compliance.....bring on the beer and football.

Ordinarily mass civil disobedience might move congress to act BUT this is the same bunch that just put every single one of us through lockdowns, mask and vaccine mandates and were more than willing to lock up, fire, fine, revoke licensure and unperson anyone who objected.

Millions of instant felons without the right to vote would be their dream come true, particularly since most of those would be 2A supporting votes.

Can I ask ...if you have purchased a gun from a legal dealer/gun shop are you not ALREADY in their books? Why the redundancy?

No, if there is to be mass civil disobedience over this it needs to be mass use of those weapons.

The Canadian trucker dilemma. Do you risk it all?

The form, 2274, you fill out for purchase is by law not a registry and is to be retained by the FFL seller in a "bound book". Its purpose is record keeping and for review by law enforcement should the need arise.

BTW, the guns used in crimes are traced via serial number not by registry of end buyer but from the other direction.
First to manufacturer, then to the distributor, then to dealer and the bound book he keeps. Each step is documented in a bound book.

However, if a FFL closes down or surrenders his FFL the bound book goes to the AFT. The AFT has been caught putting all of that data into their data base plus photographing bound books at FFLs. This type of data collection for an ad hoc registry is in clear violation of federal law as congress has specifically prohibited gun registries.

Also for many if not most of these pistols, particularly the AR ones, they began life as a stripped receiver and would be listed as such on the 2274.

Thanks warrior.

Does the private sell of said items require an FFL?

Correct unless there becomes a mass of people who become terminally ill, then all bets are off.

That insta joke check says no gun registry. They are keeping a gun OWNER registry. It also is law that form 2274 be turned over to ATF whenever an FFL holder goes out of business.

Remember, these are the same folks that got so upset when it become public knowledge all electronic communication, phone and computer, were recorded.

Government alphabets are about as trustworthy as the politicians whose feet they kiss.

Not federally unless the item is an NFA registered item. If sold before this rule change goes into effect......

Then that may be the out. Sold it to an individual at a yard sale.......