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Re: Marten / fisher trap question [Re: Boco] #7791121
02/04/23 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Boco
There are several 160's and 120's certified for both fisher and marten-belisle,rudy sauvageau LDL are a few.
I use 120's because my main target animal is marten with fisher as incidentals.
If fisher is your main target animal go with 160's.


Exactly as boco stated.

I have trapped a few dozen of each in my old 1.5 coilspring fox traps. I think that is the perfect size for fisher but it is a little big for marten.

Last year I caught 16 fisher & 24 marten in Belisle & Rudy 120's. About the same numbers in 2021 except Belisle's only. In 2020 I caught 75 marten/fisher mostly in Belisle 120's, but did get a few in Belisle 160's. I have not been happy with any of the 155's or the cheap 160's. I would use all Belisle 160's with pans if they were legal in Maine in the small lynx exclusion boxes.

I use all frozen beave for bait. My bait for next year is already in the freezer. Skunk high over the trap and i like two different lures in the bait box. Not fussy about what lure, I use what aver two I have handy.

Re: Marten / fisher trap question [Re: Fireplug] #7791401
02/05/23 12:13 AM
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I've got one 155 Bridger and it seems fine to me, I've several 150s and they will work on marten but I would be leery of them on Fisher. I use 120s and they will take both quite well, but you will get some refusals from fisher. Which suits me fine since we can't trap them here.
It is the Bridger 120 that I always hear people complain about the small eyes on. They can be a pain but I am used to them and find them not to be a big deal. The 155s have a little larger eyes if I recall correctly.
A lot of people say to use only fresh bait, but I think I get better results with tainted bait. And yes frozen will work fine. I always take mine out a day or two before I set and let it thaw.

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Re: Marten / fisher trap question [Re: Fireplug] #7791702
02/05/23 01:27 PM
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Thanks, guys. Got some ideas now. Main target is Marten, so Belisle 120's in a box sounds good. I've got a few 155's and 160's that I might use also, and a good number of # 1.75 and #2 CS traps that I'll set for fox/coyote/bobcat/fisher.

Once final question: Is an offset trap okay for fisher? I have a dozen 1.75 OS traps that I'd like to set in dirthole or cubbies but would hate to lose a fisher because the trap was not good for them from the start. I know that animals can sometimes pull out, but want to minimize that since we're only planning on a 7 - 10 day trip.

Thanks again!

Re: Marten / fisher trap question [Re: Fireplug] #7791717
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Originally Posted by Fireplug
Is an offset trap okay for fisher? Thanks again!
Although I have never used them for fisher I would not trust them to hold a fisher. Fisher have a different (flatter/thinner) foot structure than canines.


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Re: Marten / fisher trap question [Re: Fireplug] #7791731
02/05/23 02:10 PM
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Once final question: Is an offset trap okay for fisher?

I have caught many fisher in MB550 and 450 offset in my canine sets. I never lost one. As long as you have strong springs you will be fine.

Re: Marten / fisher trap question [Re: Fireplug] #7791739
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I've caught two fisher on NO BS K9 Extreme Jr OS. No issues holding the animal.


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Re: Marten / fisher trap question [Re: bctomcat] #7791742
02/05/23 02:23 PM
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Thank, guys. I caught one last week in a mink box, but had to turn it over to the DEC since my area doesn't have an open season. And, I forgot to look at its feet for the offset.

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Re: Marten / fisher trap question [Re: Fireplug] #7791805
02/05/23 04:22 PM
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Caught a small female fisher this year in a Bridger 1.75 offset. No issue. Held just fine.


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Re: Marten / fisher trap question [Re: Fireplug] #7791833
02/05/23 05:11 PM
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155 is a great marten/fisher combination trap thats primarily what I use here in Maine. And when it comes to bait a tennis ball size chunk of fresh frozen beaver or fish is my go to. My bait freezes eventaully anyway so ive never put much thought in if its frozen or not. But in my opinion fresh bait works best in Maine where in other parts of the country people prefer to taint their bait.

Re: Marten / fisher trap question [Re: Fireplug] #7791852
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For fishah....I bend my triggah wires like this.

It allows them pesky red squirrels in and out ...without firing the set.

Plus there are no wires in the face of the fisher...and looks more inviting.

Plus the fisher gets into the trap deeper for a nice catch

That’s a 160


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Re: Marten / fisher trap question [Re: Fireplug] #7791909
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Jerry uses milk jugs..they stack inside of each other and are lightweight to cary..

Hers anpic of his set

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A different set
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He said the pine branches are more to hide it from hunters.


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Re: Marten / fisher trap question [Re: Fireplug] #7792206
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great pics guys

Re: Marten / fisher trap question [Re: Nessmuck] #7792769
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Originally Posted by Nessmuck
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For fishah....I bend my triggah wires like this.

It allows them pesky red squirrels in and out ...without firing the set.

Plus there are no wires in the face of the fisher...and looks more inviting.

Plus the fisher gets into the trap deeper for a nice catch

That’s a 160



That is the way to do it, IMO. Only i put the triggers on the bottom to pick up the marten & weasels.

Re: Marten / fisher trap question [Re: Fireplug] #7792776
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does the bent trigger wire go inside or outside?

Re: Marten / fisher trap question [Re: Mainelogger] #7792779
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Originally Posted by Mainelogger
155 is a great marten/fisher combination trap thats primarily what I use here in Maine. And when it comes to bait a tennis ball size chunk of fresh frozen beaver or fish is my go to. My bait freezes eventaully anyway so ive never put much thought in if its frozen or not. But in my opinion fresh bait works best in Maine where in other parts of the country people prefer to taint their bait.


I operate a little north of you, Ashland area. I can't find a 155 that I'm satisfied with. Two years ago I sold off more than 10 dozen. Six or eight years ago I had two marten miss the trap and eat stinky rotten beaver from my pole sets. I still use fresh, but I don't seem to have any problems using early caught beaver after they've hung in my shed for a few weeks.

Re: Marten / fisher trap question [Re: charles] #7792781
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Originally Posted by charles
does the bent trigger wire go inside or outside?



I do it a little different. I'm looking.

Re: Marten / fisher trap question [Re: ebsurveyor] #7792784
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Originally Posted by ebsurveyor
Originally Posted by charles
does the bent trigger wire go inside or outside?



I do it a little different. I'm looking.


With fisher, I like the triggers on the back jaw. Gets the animal about an inch deeper into the trap. Because I want weasels & marten I put the triggers down. Something like this:

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Re: Marten / fisher trap question [Re: Fireplug] #7792791
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Re: Marten / fisher trap question [Re: Fireplug] #7792794
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Side note: a Belisle 120 is as tall as the 155's. I usually catch several old adult males in Belisle's each year.

Re: Marten / fisher trap question [Re: ebsurveyor] #7792797
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Ebsurveyor showed me that bent wire trigger method and I tried a variation of it this past season as an alternative to coni-pans at quite a few sets. Always like to try something new and I'm glad I did. Very happy with it so far and may replace my coni pans with this method over time. I too like to catch the weasels!

Tried tainted bait for years with poor results. I start with fresh frozen meat (mostly beaver but also grouse and fish) and if it taints a little in the box so be it. It still works.....later in the season catch rates per trap visit go up anyway (less food in the woods) so that stinky meat seems to produce fine later on.

Success rates are so variable from year to year here that it is difficult to effectively evaluate different methods with unbiased results. Next year everything I did this year will probably be half as effective as the mast crop will be abundant and marten/fisher won't come to the sets as readily. This past year you could have caught them with almost anything late in the season.

Jeremiah

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