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.410 loads for preators #7791790
02/05/23 03:45 PM
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In y'all opinions what would be some good loadings if I guy wanted to try and use a .410 for calling ?

Re: .410 loads for preators [Re: Wolfdog91] #7791792
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Raccoons or Coyotes? For Coyotes I may go all the way to slugs. Coons I imagine a TSS type load would be really decent out to 30+ yards.

Re: .410 loads for preators [Re: Wolfdog91] #7791795
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I wouldn't.

Done quite a bit of shooting with the 410. The problem with it is the same as any other shotshell to get best patterns you need lots of shot, to get lots of shot it needs to be small shot or the shell needs lots of capacity. The 410 lacks capacity for even the smallest of shot sizes.

My patterning for rabbit and squirrel repeatedly showed me that #6 will not pattern well, 7.5 would but lacked penetration past 30 yards.

If I absolutely had to I'd look to the buckshot 3 pellet load and keep distances under 15 yards max, 10 yards better.

I have yet to meet the slug load that can hold minute of pie plate much past 15.


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Re: .410 loads for preators [Re: Wolfdog91] #7791796
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TSS may improve on the performance I experienced but even then it would marginal at best.


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Re: .410 loads for preators [Re: Wolfdog91] #7791798
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410 typically would limit range for sure, but if your gun patterns buckshot or slugs well, you could do it. I wouldn’t try it without seeing what kind of pattern your gun shoots so that you will know what your max range will be, which won’t be very far.

410s are fun, but I wouldn’t predator hunt with anything smaller than 4s. I wouldn’t want to be shooting predators with bird shot

Re: .410 loads for preators [Re: Wolfdog91] #7791799
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wait you can find 410

go shopping it would be easier and probably cheaper to buy a Maverick 88 12ga than buy 50 rounds of 410 good hunting loads

I was at Fleet looking for 410 for a co-worker while I was of course also looking for my own ammo in not 410

he inherited his dads 410 and wanted to take his son shooting.

Fleet who has a good ammo selection had 2 TSS loads 44 for 5 rounds of #9 turkey or 38 dollars for 5 rounds of #9 turkey loads

that was it

I did find him some 2 1/2 inch 7.5 shot 26 dollars for 25 rounds and I was lucky to find it for that price


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Re: .410 loads for preators [Re: Wolfdog91] #7791802
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IMO no matter what you stick in a 410 it’s not gonna be a “good” load for predator calling. Could you kill some with buckshot or a slug? Probably. Would it be anywhere even close to being as effective as like a hundred other options? No.


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Re: .410 loads for preators [Re: Wolfdog91] #7791826
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.410 copper disks will do it, but it certainly wouldn't be my choice and not over 15-20 yards, even that would be pushing it I think. Better off with a cheap 12 Guage and some 00 buckshot

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Re: .410 loads for preators [Re: Wolfdog91] #7791855
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If you want them to run off and die slowly go for it . But if your going to use a slug just get you a 350 legend.
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Re: .410 loads for preators [Re: Wolfdog91] #7791856
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If your doing it just for sport, or to see if it can be done, I'd use 00 buck. Four pellets will fit in a three inch hull. If you're wanting to kill stuff, I'd rethink your plan

Re: .410 loads for preators [Re: Wolfdog91] #7791864
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I know I'll catch flack for my opinion, but here goes anyway. A 410 belongs on the skeet field or around the barns dinging starlings in the hands of an accomplished shooter, period. No one is going to change my mind. 410 ammo just doesn't carry the payload. I know, a lot of people have taken quite a bit of small game. But in my estimation not reliably. It just doesn't have enough punch/payload to get through any kind of brush or trash. I also am of the opinion that a 410 is the worst tool to start a kid or new shooter. I'm an accomplished shooter and the 410 frustrates me. The last registered targets I recorded was with the NSCA , A class. I started my 3 kids with a 20. They broke targets, lots of them, and never got frustrated because of all of those broken targets. They are all good shots,especially my son. He is a 2 time state sporting clays champion, junior class. He didn't do that with a 410, 12ga all the way.

I have tried hunting with the 410. I found it to be unreliable on rabbits, with and without dogs. I do pretty well shooting starlings around the barns, but keeping my shots around 20 yards and using #9 hard shot, skeet field distances and no brush to shoot through. Predators, no way, not enough payload with the appropriate size shot not to mention enough velocity. Oddly you get better velocities with 2 1/2 inch and 1/2 ounce of shot than 3 inch shells.

There I said my piece, let the flames begin. I really don't give a rats patoot. By the way my favorite gauge is the 20. The last coyote I shot, outside of in a trap, was with a 20 and a 1oz load of 6's at about 10 or 12 yards.

Re: .410 loads for preators [Re: Wolfdog91] #7791884
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I tend to agree with Paul. Why use a .410? The shells are harder to find, more expensive, and inferior in every way to a 12ga., or even a 20. There’s literally no situation where a .410 would be my first choice. And putting a 410 in the hands of a kid for hunting or clays is just setting them up for failure.


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Re: .410 loads for preators [Re: Wolfdog91] #7791891
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I use a .410 more than anything else on pheasants and rabbits (if I'm not using a .22). Its a great gun in the right hands. I have shot one coyote with it. It was pushed past me at >10 yards with 7 1/2 shot 3". Rolled him up. He got up and went just a few feet before he could go no further. I wouldn't make a practice of it though. I carry a .410 in the truck a lot in the winter and I have some Winchester buckshot for it in 3" some day I'll jump one close and kill him with it but I'm not specifically hunting them with it.

Re: .410 loads for preators [Re: Wolfdog91] #7791896
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Re: .410 loads for preators [Re: Wolfdog91] #7791897
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I use a Savage 301 in 20 gauge, it's set up for turkey with a red / green dot. It patterns the common #3 buckshot well enough out to 30 or so yards. There is 20 pellets in the 2 3/4 inch load. First winter using this setup, disclaimer I have taken 2 coyotes with it so far. A few coons and possum.


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Re: .410 loads for preators [Re: Wolfdog91] #7791900
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I have a 22,410 combo, I used it to dispatch a trapped coon and accidentally used the 410 trigger , the shell was a 3" #4... it worked but the distance was maybe 20 feet....

I think I read that Beav uses a 410 on trapped coyotes with #4 shot, hopefully he will chime in, but in any event we're talking close range....There is a #4 buck load that used to be available, good luck trying to find it though.

Re: .410 loads for preators [Re: Paul D. Heppner] #7791904
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Originally Posted by Paul D. Heppner
I know I'll catch flack for my opinion, but here goes anyway. A 410 belongs on the skeet field or around the barns dinging starlings in the hands of an accomplished shooter, period. No one is going to change my mind. 410 ammo just doesn't carry the payload. I know, a lot of people have taken quite a bit of small game. But in my estimation not reliably. It just doesn't have enough punch/payload to get through any kind of brush or trash. I also am of the opinion that a 410 is the worst tool to start a kid or new shooter. I'm an accomplished shooter and the 410 frustrates me. The last registered targets I recorded was with the NSCA , A class. I started my 3 kids with a 20. They broke targets, lots of them, and never got frustrated because of all of those broken targets. They are all good shots,especially my son. He is a 2 time state sporting clays champion, junior class. He didn't do that with a 410, 12ga all the way.

I have tried hunting with the 410. I found it to be unreliable on rabbits, with and without dogs. I do pretty well shooting starlings around the barns, but keeping my shots around 20 yards and using #9 hard shot, skeet field distances and no brush to shoot through. Predators, no way, not enough payload with the appropriate size shot not to mention enough velocity. Oddly you get better velocities with 2 1/2 inch and 1/2 ounce of shot than 3 inch shells.

There I said my piece, let the flames begin. I really don't give a rats patoot. By the way my favorite gauge is the 20. The last coyote I shot, outside of in a trap, was with a 20 and a 1oz load of 6's at about 10 or 12 yards.


While I agree to a large extent the 410 is what I had as a kid and I quickly learned it's shortcomings. If you pay attention and adapt to the tool in hand you can learn something. I say the 410 made me a better hunter knowing I couldn't take a shot over thirty. So I had to get myself in the right location first or learn how to close the distance. Also since daddy required that I buy my own shells I had double incentive to learn, lol.


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Re: .410 loads for preators [Re: Wolfdog91] #7791907
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If I had to go small guage again it would be a 28.


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Re: .410 loads for preators [Re: Wolfdog91] #7791910
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Re: .410 loads for preators [Re: Wolfdog91] #7791914
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https://ammoseek.com/ammo/410-bore - three pages to look through.

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