Re: Minnesota Trappers: legislative alert!
[Re: Rat Masterson]
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02/10/23 12:58 PM
02/10/23 12:58 PM
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Donnersurvivor
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If you can't keep your dog on your property and out of the row how do you keep it off the road? So don't hunt road row that abuts my private property because someone may throw 220s out there. I like row trapping and if someone traps my row with foothold and my dog hits it while we're out no problem, simple release. When we lose row trapping because some guys insisted they should be able to throw dryland 220s in the row I'm really going to be upset. At the time I had a shock collar on the spaniel and was training her not to go on the road on my farm. This was a young English cocker so probably 18 pound dog.
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Re: Minnesota Trappers: legislative alert!
[Re: goldy]
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02/10/23 03:17 PM
02/10/23 03:17 PM
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Steven 49er
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You guys are hung up on the conibear, the permission bill is just as bad
"Gold is money, everything else is just credit" JP Morgan
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Re: Minnesota Trappers: legislative alert!
[Re: Steven 49er]
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02/10/23 06:37 PM
02/10/23 06:37 PM
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blackhammer
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You guys are hung up on the conibear, the permission bill is just as bad Absolutely and the DP part of the bill is just plain ridiculous Often wonder if a state can basically ban a product indiscriminately without any study or review of facts legally ?
Ah,for the life of a millionaire,say some,but just let me stay a trapper. Bill Nelson
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Re: Minnesota Trappers: legislative alert!
[Re: goldy]
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02/10/23 07:30 PM
02/10/23 07:30 PM
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Steven 49er
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Of course the state can, they are the state.
Heck the just outlawed fossil fuels for electricity generation by 2040.
"Gold is money, everything else is just credit" JP Morgan
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Re: Minnesota Trappers: legislative alert!
[Re: Steven 49er]
#7795493
02/10/23 08:28 PM
02/10/23 08:28 PM
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blackhammer
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Of course the state can, they are the state.
Heck the just outlawed fossil fuels for electricity generation by 2040.
You’re probably right comrade .
Ah,for the life of a millionaire,say some,but just let me stay a trapper. Bill Nelson
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Re: Minnesota Trappers: legislative alert!
[Re: gman]
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02/11/23 09:40 AM
02/11/23 09:40 AM
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Donnersurvivor
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Time to wake up. In MN dogs have more rights when it comes to hunting than we have. Hound hunters can go wherever they want to with no repercussions. Now they come on to my land and get hurt and I am responsible? A dead dog trespassing and you lose your lisc. for 5 years. It's only gonna get worse! There is a lawsuit that will be heard this summer that may end hound retrieval laws, lawsuit is in Virginia but I suspect the result will be applied here as well. https://www.drovers.com/news/indust...over-property-rights-v-hunting-tradition
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Re: Minnesota Trappers: legislative alert!
[Re: Donnersurvivor]
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02/11/23 10:19 AM
02/11/23 10:19 AM
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goldy
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Time to wake up. In MN dogs have more rights when it comes to hunting than we have. Hound hunters can go wherever they want to with no repercussions. Now they come on to my land and get hurt and I am responsible? A dead dog trespassing and you lose your lisc. for 5 years. It's only gonna get worse! There is a lawsuit that will be heard this summer that may end hound retrieval laws, lawsuit is in Virginia but I suspect the result will be applied here as well. SF855 would completely eliminate any legal hound retrieval in Minnesota
"They that can give up essential liberty to gain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty or safety" Ben Franklin talking about guns
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Re: Minnesota Trappers: legislative alert!
[Re: goldy]
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02/11/23 10:28 AM
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blackhammer
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Pretty simple people who are against trapping and I’m sure hunting as well are using dogs as an excuse to get trapping banned. The fact that the number of dogs impacted by trapping is minuscule doesn’t matter.
Ah,for the life of a millionaire,say some,but just let me stay a trapper. Bill Nelson
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Re: Minnesota Trappers: legislative alert!
[Re: goldy]
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02/11/23 10:44 AM
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dustytinner
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So do you send the same email every week, or do you change the wording?
Life member Minnesota Trappers Association FTA,Sportsmen's Alliance
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Re: Minnesota Trappers: legislative alert!
[Re: dustytinner]
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02/11/23 10:50 AM
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blackhammer
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So do you send the same email every week, or do you change the wording? I would change it a little and mention I e- mailed previously but felt it was important to keep this important issue on their radar Something like that Guess the main thing is keep sending respectful e-mails.
Ah,for the life of a millionaire,say some,but just let me stay a trapper. Bill Nelson
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Re: Minnesota Trappers: legislative alert!
[Re: dustytinner]
#7795958
02/11/23 10:50 AM
02/11/23 10:50 AM
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goldy
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So do you send the same email every week, or do you change the wording? If you go to the "The Minnesota Trappers" or Minnesota Trappers Association Facebook page, there's a post on ideas to include in your emails. We're working on getting them onto the MTA website, but there's a glitch. Hopefully getting it on there soon
Last edited by goldy; 02/11/23 10:51 AM.
"They that can give up essential liberty to gain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty or safety" Ben Franklin talking about guns
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Re: Minnesota Trappers: legislative alert!
[Re: blackhammer]
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02/11/23 03:10 PM
02/11/23 03:10 PM
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Pretty simple people who are against trapping and I’m sure hunting as well are using dogs as an excuse to get trapping banned. The fact that the number of dogs impacted by trapping is minuscule doesn’t matter. Though dog incidences are rare we should acknowledge they are pretty dramatic and if we can decrease or eliminate them we need to do that. We are one highly publicized incident away from being a cage trap state IMO, I feel the "Don't give an inch" strategy was not the correct one. Will the DNR be consulted to have their opinion asked about this bill? If so who will consult from the DNR and has anyone talked to them yet?
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Re: Minnesota Trappers: legislative alert!
[Re: goldy]
#7796231
02/11/23 05:26 PM
02/11/23 05:26 PM
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20scout
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Last April I emailed the DNR in regards to the number of dogs caught in traps and this was their response:
"The DNR has been keeping records of canine trap incidents as reported to conservation officers since 2012. As of February 2021, there were 35 reported incidents of canine mortality (28 in body-grip traps, 7 in snares and none in footholds). Although we record each incident reported, it’s very likely that many incidents go unreported.
The DNR has worked with trapping and hunting groups to reduce canine trap incidents. The agency continues to support a science-based approach that increases trap selectivity while still allowing opportunities to continue to safely use body-grip traps.
Thanks for your question,
Jason Abraham
Minnesota DNR"
One has to wonder how many of these dogs where strays, or hunting dogs that should not have been on that property. Then there is also the question of LO's giving permission for someone to hunt their properties without the consideration that they have already given permission for someone else to trap/snare. I realize there are two sides to every story but it seems the trappers always come out on the short end of the stick.
Common sense is a not a vegetable that does well in everyone's garden.
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Re: Minnesota Trappers: legislative alert!
[Re: 20scout]
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02/11/23 05:38 PM
02/11/23 05:38 PM
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goldy
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Last April I emailed the DNR in regards to the number of dogs caught in traps and this was their response:
"The DNR has been keeping records of canine trap incidents as reported to conservation officers since 2012. As of February 2021, there were 35 reported incidents of canine mortality (28 in body-grip traps, 7 in snares and none in footholds). Although we record each incident reported, it’s very likely that many incidents go unreported.
The DNR has worked with trapping and hunting groups to reduce canine trap incidents. The agency continues to support a science-based approach that increases trap selectivity while still allowing opportunities to continue to safely use body-grip traps.
Thanks for your question,
Jason Abraham
Minnesota DNR"
One has to wonder how many of these dogs where strays, or hunting dogs that should not have been on that property. Then there is also the question of LO's giving permission for someone to hunt their properties without the consideration that they have already given permission for someone else to trap/snare. I realize there are two sides to every story but it seems the trappers always come out on the short end of the stick.
Those 35 dogs were over many years. I dont remember the exact amount of years, but it came out to like 3 per year. I've seen the incident reports on many of them. The VAST majority were free roaming dogs trespassing on private property. Some weren't even from trappers, but people trying to catch skunks or coons under their own buildings.
"They that can give up essential liberty to gain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty or safety" Ben Franklin talking about guns
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Re: Minnesota Trappers: legislative alert!
[Re: WBG]
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02/11/23 08:04 PM
02/11/23 08:04 PM
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minnesota
goldy
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You would be hard pressed to find a greater proponent of trappers rights than Myself but baited 220s on the ground and accessible to hunting dogs is just plain stupid. Hunting dogs were seldom being caught, none lately. The boxes have to have overhangs and the traps recessed inside the box now.
"They that can give up essential liberty to gain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty or safety" Ben Franklin talking about guns
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