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Re: Ruspushnina fur auction [Re: walleye101] #7801664 02/18/23 03:18 PM 02/18/23 03:18 PM
Joined: Jan 2014 Co.-Wy. part time AK. W wy.wolfer trapper
wy.wolfer trapper W Joined: Jan 2014 Co.-Wy. part time AK.	Originally Posted by walleye101 Are they selling in US dollars? Euro's in the past maybe USD today. Google Sojuzpushnina and you can see the results, looks like the Kamchatka's did much better than everything else, especially the ranch goods. Last edited by wy.wolfer; 02/18/23 03:21 PM.

Re: Ruspushnina fur auction [Re: Tatiana] #7801768 02/18/23 06:06 PM 02/18/23 06:06 PM
Joined: Jan 2008 Alaska and Washington State W waggler trapper
waggler trapper W Joined: Jan 2008 Alaska and Washington State	Here is a comparison of the skins from different "martens" or better yet; sables. The two skins in the right (americana and caurina) are from marten I caught and had tanned many years ago. They have oxidized and become much redder than they were originally. Starting from the left is a Martes martes or pine marten from northern Sweden, next is a Martes zibellina from Siberia Russia, next is a Martes americana from Alaska, and finally a Martes caurina from Washington. The second picture is their belly sides. The two most similar are the Alaskan and the Siberian. The pine marten is definitely the coarsest. I wish the Alaska marten hadn't turned so red. It was a beautiful dark chocolate brown originally. Here is a close-up of the Siberian skin showing some white hairs sprinkled in. Sometimes I get similar skins in SE Alaska. Two years ago I had one of those skins make it in the true "Top Lot" of 20 skins out of 60,000 at Fur Harvester's. Last edited by waggler; 02/18/23 06:13 PM. "My life is better than your vacation"

Re: Ruspushnina fur auction [Re: Tatiana] #7801782 02/18/23 06:19 PM 02/18/23 06:19 PM
Joined: Jan 2008 Alaska and Washington State W waggler trapper
waggler trapper W Joined: Jan 2008 Alaska and Washington State	BTW, I know it's a hard habit to break, but North American marten are not "pine marten". It irks me a little when I sometimes even hear biologists call them that. Calling them that is akin to calling a bobcat a Canada lynx, or visa versa. Last edited by waggler; 02/18/23 06:21 PM. "My life is better than your vacation"

Re: Ruspushnina fur auction [Re: Tatiana] #7801888 02/18/23 08:24 PM 02/18/23 08:24 PM
Joined: Apr 2014 MO cfowler trapper
cfowler trapper Joined: Apr 2014 MO	A lot of interesting information being shared. Good stuff. I trap for fun. I skin 'em for the money! Grinners For Life-Lifetime Member, MO Chapter, Den #1 ~You Grin, You're In~

Re: Ruspushnina fur auction [Re: Tatiana] #7802315 02/19/23 12:23 PM 02/19/23 12:23 PM
Joined: Dec 2006 Moved to Fbks, Ak. M martentrapper trapper
martentrapper trapper M Joined: Dec 2006 Moved to Fbks, Ak.	Did you grow up in a family that was involved in trapping, fur selling, fur markets, Tatiana?

Re: Ruspushnina fur auction [Re: Tatiana] #7802344 02/19/23 01:42 PM 02/19/23 01:42 PM
Joined: Aug 2011 james bay frontierOnt. B Boco trapper
Boco trapper B Joined: Aug 2011 james bay frontierOnt.	We seem to get the whole range of colour here. Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.

Re: Ruspushnina fur auction [Re: martentrapper] #7802346 02/19/23 01:43 PM 02/19/23 01:43 PM
Joined: Nov 2017 Siberia T Tatiana OP "Mushroom Guru"
Tatiana OP "Mushroom Guru" T Joined: Nov 2017 Siberia	Originally Posted by martentrapper Did you grow up in a family that was involved in trapping, fur selling, fur markets, Tatiana? Nope, I'm a de novo imposter I just try to learn what I need for my purposes, both in the woods and in the lab.

Re: Ruspushnina fur auction [Re: Tatiana] #7802358 02/19/23 02:09 PM 02/19/23 02:09 PM
Joined: Jan 2008 Alaska and Washington State W waggler trapper
waggler trapper W Joined: Jan 2008 Alaska and Washington State	Boco, does that dark one have much, or any throat patch? "My life is better than your vacation"

Re: Ruspushnina fur auction [Re: Tatiana] #7802430 02/19/23 04:56 PM 02/19/23 04:56 PM
Joined: Aug 2011 james bay frontierOnt. B Boco trapper
Boco trapper B Joined: Aug 2011 james bay frontierOnt.	It had a few sprinkles of bright orange.The dark ones always seem to have bright orange throat patch. Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.

Re: Ruspushnina fur auction [Re: Boco] #7802463 02/19/23 05:44 PM 02/19/23 05:44 PM
Joined: Jan 2008 Alaska and Washington State W waggler trapper
waggler trapper W Joined: Jan 2008 Alaska and Washington State	Originally Posted by Boco It had a few sprinkles of bright orange.The dark ones always seem to have bright orange throat patch. Interesting; our darkest ones either have a white or cream colored throat patch, or practically none at all. "My life is better than your vacation"

Re: Ruspushnina fur auction [Re: Tatiana] #7802465 02/19/23 05:49 PM 02/19/23 05:49 PM
Joined: Aug 2011 james bay frontierOnt. B Boco trapper
Boco trapper B Joined: Aug 2011 james bay frontierOnt.	Our paler ones have yellow or cream coloured throat patches. Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.

Re: Ruspushnina fur auction [Re: Tatiana] #7802546 02/19/23 07:36 PM 02/19/23 07:36 PM
Joined: May 2010 Alaska D drasselt trapper
drasselt trapper D Joined: May 2010 Alaska	I see both orange and white/cream and combos. Some are much brighter orange than this. you can vote your way into socialism, but you will have to shoot your way out.

Re: Ruspushnina fur auction [Re: Tatiana] #7802658 02/19/23 09:27 PM 02/19/23 09:27 PM
Joined: Aug 2011 james bay frontierOnt. B Boco trapper
Boco trapper B Joined: Aug 2011 james bay frontierOnt.	Typical patch colour on the xdk here. Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.

Re: Ruspushnina fur auction [Re: Boco] #7802759 02/20/23 03:46 AM 02/20/23 03:46 AM
Joined: Nov 2017 Siberia T Tatiana OP "Mushroom Guru"
Tatiana OP "Mushroom Guru" T Joined: Nov 2017 Siberia	~

Re: Ruspushnina fur auction [Re: Tatiana] #7802791 02/20/23 06:41 AM 02/20/23 06:41 AM
Joined: Apr 2016 Labrador, Canada C crosspatch trapper
crosspatch trapper C Joined: Apr 2016 Labrador, Canada	Outstanding depth of information. Thank you Tatiana.

Re: Ruspushnina fur auction [Re: Tatiana] #7802820 02/20/23 07:42 AM 02/20/23 07:42 AM
Joined: Dec 2006 Minnesota 330-Trapper trapper
330-Trapper trapper Joined: Dec 2006 Minnesota	Originally Posted by Tatiana Originally Posted by drasselt So what are we looking at here? 4 lots of 4 each, 2 unsold, 1 sold for 135.00 (per skin presumably?) and the lot of 4 silver sable bid at $184??? I'm not sure what 2.2 means in this particular grading system, perhaps tone/clarity, but 184 is the lot number, 4 is the color, on the Soviet state standard 2 to 7 scale, with 2 being the darkest, and 7 the lightest (now sometimes extended to 8 and 9, because of the increased demand for lighter sable, with the color 9 including albinos/canaries), and sil. is silvering/sedina, which is the same as sprinkling in the American grading system, which is graded from 0 to 5 (0 means no white guard hairs, 5 means half of all guard hair is white). A color 3 or 4, sil. 2 sable is among the most beautiful sable colors, actually, because it is instantly recognizable as natural undyed sable yet dark enough for the sedina to be instantly visible. Higher grades of sedina still command higher prices but subjectively such skins have a grayish, grizzly appearance, and are often not as pretty as grade 2 sedina, which looks like starry night in a garment:) here's a close-up of a Yakutian color 4 sable with grade 2 sedina: Excellent explanation NRA and NTA Life Member www.BackroadsRevised@etsy.com

Re: Ruspushnina fur auction [Re: Tatiana] #7802929 02/20/23 10:07 AM 02/20/23 10:07 AM
Joined: Jan 2008 Alaska and Washington State W waggler trapper
waggler trapper W Joined: Jan 2008 Alaska and Washington State	Very interesting information Tatiana, thank you. Here is a picture of a couple SE Alaska marten caught a couple of weeks ago. Notice one of them has a white tipped tail. Occasionally a white footed one is caught . "My life is better than your vacation"

Re: Ruspushnina fur auction [Re: waggler] #7802982 02/20/23 11:38 AM 02/20/23 11:38 AM
Joined: Aug 2008 alaska 3 3 Fingers trapper
3 Fingers trapper 3 Joined: Aug 2008 alaska	Originally Posted by waggler Occasionally a white footed one is caught . I see that also. Had one this year. This thread is great

Re: Ruspushnina fur auction [Re: Tatiana] #7803294 02/20/23 06:56 PM 02/20/23 06:56 PM
Joined: Apr 2016 Labrador, Canada C crosspatch trapper
crosspatch trapper C Joined: Apr 2016 Labrador, Canada	Odd one here too with white boots.

Re: Ruspushnina fur auction [Re: Tatiana] #7803413 02/20/23 09:10 PM 02/20/23 09:10 PM
Joined: Aug 2011 james bay frontierOnt. B Boco trapper
Boco trapper B Joined: Aug 2011 james bay frontierOnt.	Get the odd one here with orange toes and white tipped tails. I take the smaller less desireable colours and tan them myself for private sale. Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.

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