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Re: Minnesota Trappers: legislative alert! [Re: Cibarius] #7821700
03/16/23 07:54 AM
03/16/23 07:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Cibarius
Originally Posted by rbsheadache
"I don't think the "don't give an inch" is the best method to maintain effective trapping, that is my opinion"

We all know that having this mentality will be the start of the end, well nearly all know I guess.


Doesn't every restriction make trapping less effective? By nature?
Every inch is an inch closer to the end. I would rather attack and go out with a bang than just bend over and go out with a whimper.


Absolutely it does, that is why we don't give in at all. I was in agreement with you.


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Re: Minnesota Trappers: legislative alert! [Re: Cibarius] #7821723
03/16/23 08:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Cibarius


What are you more worried about in the north woods. A baited cubby or wolves eating your dog.


Not sure if that was an honest question or just making a point, but I'll answer anyway. As a bobcat trapper, who also runs snowshoe hare with beagles, I'd say the danger is about equal. Although a wolf attack can happen anytime, and baited cubby sets tend to be limited to cat season in these parts, so can more easily be avoided. That said, I wasn't thrilled with the last compromise that moved cat season to run through most of January.

Re: Minnesota Trappers: legislative alert! [Re: goldy] #7821762
03/16/23 09:29 AM
03/16/23 09:29 AM
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Lets step into the reality of the situation for a second.

Democrats, many who are not trapping friendly control MN
A dog death is a huge emotionally charged issue. A dead dog in a a 220 or snare in a ROW or on Public land is a major problem.
Outdoorsmen are a minority of the population in this state.
Trappers are a tiny minority of Outdoorsmen.
Trapping is not economically or socially important to 99+% of the states population.

As trappers we need all the support we can get, bird hunters, small game hunters, should be natural allies. In many cases those who hunt with dogs are not allies of trappers because of the threat to the dogs. Dogs are often considered part of the family, there is extreme emotional attachment to dogs. Economically most people likely have 10x more invested into their dog than the average trapper makes on a yearly fur check.

It may sound good to say "don't give an inch" and "go on the offensive" but if you go on the offensive you will be running into a machine gun nest. If you don't give an inch you may be bombed out of your position with nothing to fall back to.

I don't think we should give up any tools on Private land. Private land and the ability to use a full arsenal of tools should be highly protected. We should also strive towards 0 dog deaths on both Private and Public land. On Private that can be done by being cautious and smart. On Public that may mean limiting a couple traps to reduce conflicts.

I may be wrong, maybe giving up a couple tools on Public land is a bad idea and lead to a slippery slope, I don't think I am but I may be. However think its far more likely we lose massive ground in trapping because someone will have pictures or videos of their dog in a snare or coni which will result in a legislative or massive ballot measure loss of trapping, including footholds.

Re: Minnesota Trappers: legislative alert! [Re: goldy] #7822040
03/16/23 03:58 PM
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Donner, I can see your point, but I have to disagree. We have given so many inches in the last 30 years that I think it could be measured in miles.

Re: Minnesota Trappers: legislative alert! [Re: goldy] #7832118
03/28/23 07:39 PM
03/28/23 07:39 PM
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Something to keep in mind with Easter break coming up I expect there will be town hall meetings in different constituencies. Take a look at your legislators FB page to see if they may have one upcoming and attend. A key senator that is a newly elected and was an unknown, he held a town hall meeting a week ago, we were able to get quite a group there to have a discussion with him and educate him to our issues. The meeting went well and I'm encouraged he will back us.

Don't leave the work for others, get engaged. Randy will not have much free time shortly.


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