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So why tanks again ? #7822312
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So exactly did zelenzky ask for tanks ? Anti armor teams armed with javalins and similar where and have been playing pure heck and laying hate on Russian armor ( and honestly more importantly their supply chain/trucks) with less cost and more maneuverability. But they want tanks ? Which honestly.....I don't really understand for the most part and I don't think I've ever seen a tactile reason given. I mean honestly it's a foreign country was dumb enough to screw around a and find out here I'd be giving good ole boys side by sides with javalins or TOW's , shoot and scoot. Not trying to relive the great tanks battle sof WWII... Ukraine says we need tanks so we send tanks is about all I've gotten.

So what was the exact reason given ?

Re: So why tanks again ? [Re: Wolfdog91] #7822317
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he can get good $ for them on the black market...


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Re: So why tanks again ? [Re: Wolfdog91] #7822318
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tanks cost a lot of money. thats why. war is profitable.


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Re: So why tanks again ? [Re: danny clifton] #7822320
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
tanks cost a lot of money. thats why. war is profitable.


zele's favorite line is 'uke is open for business'.


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Re: So why tanks again ? [Re: Wolfdog91] #7822321
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Used as artillery more then tank on tank maybe, drones seem to be the great new thing.


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Re: So why tanks again ? [Re: Wolfdog91] #7822326
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what I hear is not as many tanks coming to uke from the eu countries as they promised....the abrams may be there by 2024..


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Re: So why tanks again ? [Re: Wolfdog91] #7822363
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Because President Hair Sniffer can get more for his 10% and hide it easier!!!


God please keep they 19 fallen UBB miners out of trouble up there.
Re: So why tanks again ? [Re: Wolfdog91] #7822503
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Zelensky has had both hands out begging for free stuff since this started. It has very little to do with the actual war and much more to do with the exchange of money and high-dollar equipment.


Eh...wot?

Re: So why tanks again ? [Re: danny clifton] #7822506
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
tanks cost a lot of money. thats why. war is profitable.

And here is your answer.

Re: So why tanks again ? [Re: Wolfdog91] #7822549
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Wolfie, to me the weapons you described (javelins and TOWs) sound like defensive weapons whereas tanks are offensive weapons. My thought is that Z needs offensive weapons for their spring offensive to drive the Rus out of Uke territory. The "again" part is because we keep promising but not delivering.

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Re: So why tanks again ? [Re: Wolfdog91] #7822599
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Tanks are excellent for keeping your own people in line and yourself in power incase protest break out from being lead by an actor.

Re: So why tanks again ? [Re: Wolfdog91] #7822678
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The US isn't serious about ending this or we wouldn't have imported 15 billion in goods from Russia last year!



Re: So why tanks again ? [Re: 70sdiver] #7823064
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Keep sending him stuff as long as it is not our people. Kind of nice to see how it all works out. I was reading today about how the Worthog is now a worthless piece of equipment and nobody can achieve air superiority in that game. I always thought that it was the greatest tool in the box!
The enemy of your enemy is your friend.

Re: So why tanks again ? [Re: Wolfdog91] #7823069
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We, the US, are training.
We are training to move logistics on a large scale to a place half way around the world in a expeditious manner.
We are getting rid of old equipment.
We are trying new equipment in a battle where we don’t lose American lives to see if it works like we hope.
We are seeing what our equipment can do against Russia in case “we” ever go to war with them.

I tell myself this and it takes a little bit of the sting out of it.

Re: So why tanks again ? [Re: Donnersurvivor] #7823088
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Originally Posted by Donnersurvivor
Tanks are excellent for keeping your own people in line and yourself in power incase protest break out from being lead by an actor.



He’s held the Russians off for over a year the people love the guy where do you come up with this fantasy world?


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Re: So why tanks again ? [Re: Wolfdog91] #7823116
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Wolife- Are you sure those javelins have been so bad*** over there? The way I understand it, the battery packs need to be charged up and the AFU biys had a good number of them not go off when they needed. And its' a javelin a "one shot and your done" weapon? So if you're using it against a building instead of a tank and you don't drill the guys your shooting at, what's the next move if you can't reload it? Not like of the old WWII or Korea bazooka where they were reloadable.

Check out this Patrick Lancaster video. Some on tman say this is all staged for Lancaster to video but if you want to talk about spent American portable anti-armor weapons, there appears to be different LAWs seen at minutes 7:43, 14:12, 14:21, 14:54, and 15:29 (2 of them). At minute 15:27 two shot Javelins are shown. I don't think these were being shot at tanks in this village but other houses where Wagner guys were shooting from. One shot and you're out, unless you have more.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=coXtU4b63_c

And Law Dog is correct, a lot of tanks on both sides are being used for direct artillery fire in support of infantry movement. A tank can hold a lot more shells than single shot LAW or Javelin...


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Re: So why tanks again ? [Re: Wolfdog91] #7823120
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After what I just read I have to wonder how much news we are getting is the truth. One of their best front line leaders just stepped down because he stated to an independent news source that his people had been decimated by constant fire and the replacements he had been sent were not even sure how to use basic weapons .And despite what we have been hearing didn't want to be fighting and ran off first chance they got. After the story got out his commanders demoted him and took him off the front lines. He has since stepped down . His statement is such we need trained people who want to be there and not those who by one means or another are forced to be. Then of course better weapons and NATOS help or we will loose. Do I believe it? Maybe maybe not but it does explain a lot.

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Originally Posted by Law Dog
Originally Posted by Donnersurvivor
Tanks are excellent for keeping your own people in line and yourself in power incase protest break out from being lead by an actor.



He’s held the Russians off for over a year the people love the guy where do you come up with this fantasy world?


In the two most recent conflicts tanks have been little more than road blocks, cheap shoulder fired missiles and drones have devastated heavy armor. Tanks best use is no longer fighting in major conflicts, atleast thats the way it appears.

Re: So why tanks again ? [Re: Wolfdog91] #7823137
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So why the President comments then? Way out there.


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Re: So why tanks again ? [Re: Wolfdog91] #7823165
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This is what happens when the AFU runs out of those one-shot-and-done weapons and the enemy still has some equipment. I'm not sure what '"city" (if you can call mostly rubble a city anymore) but what's working that "building" is probably a Russian APC that has a 30mm auto cannon. Bad news for anyone fighting from those floors...

https://twitter.com/Chadyrov11/status/1636735048534700032


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