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Re: San people hunting in the Kalahari [Re: danny clifton] #7828229
03/24/23 12:37 PM
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I always remember a nutrition class I had back in the 70's where our prof said that the closest population in following the recommended food pyramid for protein, fiber, carbs, etc was the Kalajari bushmen.


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Re: San people hunting in the Kalahari [Re: Animals Only] #7828231
03/24/23 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Animals Only
I could run down a rabbit when I was young. whistle


I now can’t run down a turtle lol.


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Re: San people hunting in the Kalahari [Re: danny clifton] #7828237
03/24/23 12:46 PM
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Caught a many a rabbit in the wheat, barley or oat stubble as the combine got down to the final round or two. And I was almost always barefoot by that time of year. Only wore shoes to church June thru Sept and my feet stayed tough year round.


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Re: San people hunting in the Kalahari [Re: EdP] #7828264
03/24/23 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by EdP
In 1755, at the age of 17 or 18, James Smith was captured by Native Americans in the vicinity of Fort Necessity. He spent 4 years as a captive and adoptee. In his account of his time with the tribe Smith recounts an attempt made to run down a horse, an animal the Indians were not particularly familiar with at the time, but expected to be successful based on their experience with deer. They were completely unsuccessful in the attempt. This shows that it is highly dependent upon the capabilities of the animal being pursued relative to the capabilities of those in pursuit, and external characteristics don't always tell the story. The Indians were running down deer, sans modern running shoes, but had no chance of catching a horse.


In 1755, the natives had been making very good use of horses for nearly 200 years.

Re: San people hunting in the Kalahari [Re: danny clifton] #7828274
03/24/23 01:36 PM
03/24/23 01:36 PM
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I understand the water thing and that makes a difference for sure. Still, while this may work at certain times with certain animals under certain conditions, relying on it as a primary means of securing protein seems like a good way to go extinct. Think about the amount of calories expended in relation to what you get in return once you share that animal with an entire tribe. I'll bet a lot more of them were killed in ambush than by running them down.

I'm no expert in this by any means, I'm just saying there are a lot of flaws in what this video is depicting.

Re: San people hunting in the Kalahari [Re: danny clifton] #7828310
03/24/23 02:42 PM
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I have no doubt they use ambush techniques. They use poison arrows also instead of powerful bows with stone points. The San people are small and thin. I doubt they burn as many calories as we do. Even on a stressful hunt like that. I suspect the whole tribe just packs up and goes to the meat. The hunter may have already gorged himself on tongue or liver when they get there. Being a herd animal my GUESS is once separated out they run in a big circle.


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Re: San people hunting in the Kalahari [Re: danny clifton] #7828320
03/24/23 02:58 PM
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When I was younger I could run down to McDonald's catch a burger and fries. Lot younger folks I see now days. Look like they have a heart attack if had to run from the couch to the refrigerator. Lmao..

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Re: San people hunting in the Kalahari [Re: danny clifton] #7828384
03/24/23 04:05 PM
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Killing it with a dull spear to the shoulder blade just didn't look right.


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Re: San people hunting in the Kalahari [Re: danny clifton] #7828399
03/24/23 04:27 PM
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I wondered about the spear thing also. Again my GUESS is the whole thing was recreated so it could be filmed.


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: San people hunting in the Kalahari [Re: danny clifton] #7829030
03/25/23 07:24 AM
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Charles Barkley once responded to a claim that Manute Bol, a 7' 6" former 76ers teammate and formerly from the plains of Africa once killed a lion with a spear by saying, "I don't know if that is true, but I have seen him kill the basketball rim with a free throw."

Re: San people hunting in the Kalahari [Re: BernieB.] #7829102
03/25/23 08:54 AM
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Originally Posted by BernieB.
Originally Posted by EdP
In 1755, at the age of 17 or 18, James Smith was captured by Native Americans in the vicinity of Fort Necessity. He spent 4 years as a captive and adoptee. In his account of his time with the tribe Smith recounts an attempt made to run down a horse, an animal the Indians were not particularly familiar with at the time, but expected to be successful based on their experience with deer. They were completely unsuccessful in the attempt. This shows that it is highly dependent upon the capabilities of the animal being pursued relative to the capabilities of those in pursuit, and external characteristics don't always tell the story. The Indians were running down deer, sans modern running shoes, but had no chance of catching a horse.


In 1755, the natives had been making very good use of horses for nearly 200 years.


More about 100 years I believe. The horse made its way onto the American southwestern landscape from the Spanish. The Spanish enslaved the Pueblo Indians, the Pueblo revolted against the Spanish in the mid 1600s, driving them back down into present day Mexico. When the Spanish were driven out, they left behind their sheep, cattle, and a couple thousand horses. The Pueblo had no use for the horses at that time being more of a sedentary tribe and they turned them loose onto the Southern Plains. The first tribes, I believe, to domestic these now wild mustangs would be the Comanche, Apache, Kiowa, Arapaho, Cheyenne, and later the Sioux. Probably in the very late 1600s- early 1700s. In about a 100 year span, the plains Indians were turned from sort of sedentary tribes into horse warriors who could migrate with their families with the movement of the buffalo. It was one of the most drastic and quickest conversions of society in the history of the Earth.

Re: San people hunting in the Kalahari [Re: danny clifton] #7829114
03/25/23 09:14 AM
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"In 1755, the natives had been making very good use of horses for nearly 200 years."

In the southwest yes, but not in the Great Lakes region. The Smith account is an interesting read.

Re: San people hunting in the Kalahari [Re: danny clifton] #7829119
03/25/23 09:21 AM
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The standard belief is that the spanish brought horses to north america in the mid-1500's but they may have been here much sooner. Ten ships of Welsh settlers colonized the south-central United states in 1170 and may have had horses with them.

Re: San people hunting in the Kalahari [Re: EdP] #7829120
03/25/23 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by EdP
"In 1755, the natives had been making very good use of horses for nearly 200 years."

In the southwest yes, but not in the Great Lakes region. The Smith account is an interesting read.


I would love to read it, do you know where it can be found?

Re: San people hunting in the Kalahari [Re: danny clifton] #7829170
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Re: San people hunting in the Kalahari [Re: danny clifton] #7829194
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Now I know where them hand signs the gang bangers use came from. laugh


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