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Do Shock Springs Help Prevent
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03/26/23 08:09 AM
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J Staton
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jaws popping? No welder to bubble jaw ends.
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Re: Do Shock Springs Help Prevent
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03/26/23 08:36 AM
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Just lightly bending the tips1 up will do wonders too!
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Re: Do Shock Springs Help Prevent
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03/26/23 08:47 AM
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I'm sure they do but there's a lot of well made traps on the market today that can catch there target animals and hold them without welding on the jaw tips or shock springs. If your buying traps I'd start there. High theft area (public ground) traps I'm building. Use my good traps on private ground.
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Re: Do Shock Springs Help Prevent
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03/26/23 08:55 AM
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I get it but there's some very good budget traps out there that I'd feel very confident in holding coyotes without welding jaw tips or running without shock springs. Just out of curiosity what does a good shock spring cost.
I recently bought a dozen duke # 2 dogless to try. Haven't set them yet but for the money they appear to be a very adequate trap. Don't quote me but I believe they were around $140/ dozen. They came 4 coiled but they were way to strong for my liking so I took the second set of springs off.
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Re: Do Shock Springs Help Prevent
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03/26/23 12:09 PM
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jaws popping? No welder to bubble jaw ends. YES. I have shock springs on all my traps. EVEN IF they dont need them ! Shock springs work well for = Extended checks , Big Mean Male Coyotes, less foot damage and incidentals of the Large kind ! So my gues is = YES. And at 3 dollars a peice? WHY not ? Especially in high theft place like you are saying WHY buy new budget traps when 36 dollars a dz and shipping may fix your problem??
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Re: Do Shock Springs Help Prevent
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03/27/23 09:38 AM
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LT just my opinion...but I think the shock spring does both reduce the '"jarring" to the caught animal and the vibration motion/activity to anchor.
The issue is for the lighter weight caught animals...the shock spring at times doesn't give at all. Then consider IF a trapper uses a lighter rated shock spring(NW traps and SoftcatchTraps)
and then catches a hard fighting bigger animal then the spring's value is lessened....catch 22. I think a trapper just needs to decide what set up and shock spring
to go with and see what the results are at the end of each season and either change or continue....KISS
My take My thoughts exactly. Spreads the impact loading over a longer duration on both ends of the system. However, we lack total control over the input force by weight of the catch. Best we can do is opt for a targeted weight. But in my experience it's all more theoretical that actually practical.
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Re: Do Shock Springs Help Prevent
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03/27/23 10:01 AM
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And in some places, regulations come into play as well. The following is our regulation that applies to foothold traps set on land: Trap chain cannot be longer than 8 inches from anchor
point to the base of the trap unless fitted with a shock absorbing device with at least 40 lbs. and not more than 75
lbs. of pull Drags are not considered solid anchors but I use shock springs on all my land foothold sets, even on DPs so I can run extension cables to something solid where stakes will not hold where the trap needs to be.
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Re: Do Shock Springs Help Prevent
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03/27/23 11:20 AM
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I'm with Bob on this.
I know that a short chain set up and a few swivels will accomplish the same thing. I can see where If you were running 30" of chain where the animal could get a running start but a 8" chain set up with 3 swivels not so much.
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Re: Do Shock Springs Help Prevent
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03/27/23 01:24 PM
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Could’ve swore I saw a study someone did on here about shock springs years ago and the end result was they were basically worthless. I’ve looked at some and couldn’t even pull them apart by hand. I don’t run long chains, just haven’t found a need for it down here. They can pump the trap chain all they want, it isn’t coming out.
I have DP’s out that I pushed in the anchor by hand in the wet areas. I can pull them up by hand, but a coon can’t. Done caught 3 in one DP and moved the DP because of how tore up the area was. Pulled it by hand and cleaned out the anchor and pushed it in right outside the catch circle area in “fresher” mud, lol. I'm with you. While I like the "on paper" concept of springs in my overthinking it engineering type mind my actual in the field with and without springs says minor to no difference on coyotes, none on smaller critters. Maybe there would be on long chains but I wouldn't know as I've never run long chains.
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Re: Do Shock Springs Help Prevent
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03/27/23 01:27 PM
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Could’ve swore I saw a study someone did on here about shock springs years ago and the end result was they were basically worthless. I’ve looked at some and couldn’t even pull them apart by hand. I don’t run long chains, just haven’t found a need for it down here. They can pump the trap chain all they want, it isn’t coming out.
I have DP’s out that I pushed in the anchor by hand in the wet areas. I can pull them up by hand, but a coon can’t. Done caught 3 in one DP and moved the DP because of how tore up the area was. Pulled it by hand and cleaned out the anchor and pushed it in right outside the catch circle area in “fresher” mud, lol. I'm with you. While I like the "on paper" concept of springs in my overthinking it engineering type mind my actual in the field with and without springs says minor to no difference on coyotes, none on smaller critters. Maybe there would be on long chains but I wouldn't know as I've never run long chains. I could see them on drags, maybe for the initial run. But every pic I’ve seen on drags shows the critter wrapped up to the actual trap chain anyways. I have some drags made up and a couple out now, hoping to really utilize them when the ground turns to rock and I can’t get an anchor in or out, lol.
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Re: Do Shock Springs Help Prevent
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03/27/23 07:33 PM
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I'd be curious if the op is buying new traps for the stated situation or thinking of adding springs to existing traps and if existing traps has he had issues with popped jaws or is it an imagined problem looking for a fix? Just don't here a lot of issues with popped jaws nowadays with better trap builds Not new traps just small traps for coyotes. Coyotes not the intended target but possible. Of course it being a coyote, it deserves to die, I just want to hold him if I get him.
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Re: Do Shock Springs Help Prevent
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03/27/23 07:55 PM
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I have a dozen or two shock springs that I have thrown on traps here and there so I don’t run them that frequently. I have noticed two things with shock springs. It seems that most of the coyotes I catch with shock springs on my chain fight the trap harder and more aggressively than just the short chain with multiple swivels I normally run. My theory is they feel the “give” and think they are winning so they try to exploit the perceived weakness. I have also noticed that they seem to have less of the cutting on their feet than the chains without. The cuts aren’t bad, and you may not notice them much if they were dead leaving the trap, but I seem to have less cutting with the shock springs. My guess is they don’t have the hard stop initially that causes the skin to bunch and cut. These are just two observations I’ve made with my limited experience using them. Thanks for sharing that. Good observations.
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