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Re: Archeological dig on the Miami River. [Re: 330-Trapper] #7836589
04/02/23 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by 330-Trapper
Well lest we forget
God probably changed more than just the languages at the Tower of Babble
And this caused the nationalities.

Well said,Scott!


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Re: Archeological dig on the Miami River. [Re: run] #7836630
04/02/23 06:22 PM
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Forget the land bridge nonsense. People rode the tectonic plates to where they are today.

Make a whole lot more sense than all the other theories when you really think about it.

Re: Archeological dig on the Miami River. [Re: D.T.] #7836634
04/02/23 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by D.T.
I think the theory of the dry bering land strait has lots of evidence and was how the last wave of peoples came here. The is plenty of evidence suggesting though that people were here upwards of 100000 yrs ago. There have been tool mammoth bones found in cali that are the oldest. A lot of the mounds in places like Ohio apparently date to about 40. Also, lots of aztec and mayan cultures have clues suggesting they were around much before the end of the younger dryas/last ice age. Interesting stuff

I’ve been listening to a guy named Randall Carlson who is a geologist. He has been gathering data his whole life and has come to sort of a conclusion that there was a major flood event 12,800 yrs ago. This kind of dovetails with another researcher named graham hancock who thinks there were civilizations before the contemporary idea of 5000 yrs ago or so. Also dovetails with many cultures flood stories. Cool ideas if any of you are interested

Actually there is very little reliable evidence to suggest anything older than 20-30,000 year for human habitation of the Americas. The mastodon site in California has very few believers among reputable archaeologists. The other problem with the older than 100,000 idea is that it pretty much pre-dates the time line for Homo sapiens. It would have had to have been Homo erectus. No corroborating evidence backs up the findings; neither fossil nor DNA.

The older than 20,000-30,000 year human habitation relies on the notion that the Americas were peopled by humans arriving by boat along the west coast so that they were able to get around the glaciers blocking overland arrivals.

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Re: Archeological dig on the Miami River. [Re: BernieB.] #7836637
04/02/23 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by BernieB.
Forget the land bridge nonsense. People rode the tectonic plates to where they are today.

Make a whole lot more sense than all the other theories when you really think about it.


An ancient surfing society? grin


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Re: Archeological dig on the Miami River. [Re: run] #7836638
04/02/23 06:31 PM
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I read somewhere that there were cave dwellers in the NW long before modern "Indians". Paisley people I think.


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Re: Archeological dig on the Miami River. [Re: beaverpeeler] #7836640
04/02/23 06:37 PM
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I hear ya. All theories but the homo sapiens thing has dates from 30 -100 thousand years. 50 seems to be somewhat of a consensus depending on who you ask. The mastodon bones were shown to been worked by humans and they were old who ever they were. Point is they are older than 12,800.

as far as habitation there is a lot of evidence suggesting north and south America had to have had people before the bering strait went under. Lots of theories. Cool stuff to think about.

Re: Archeological dig on the Miami River. [Re: run] #7836642
04/02/23 06:37 PM
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You would be referring to the caves discovered by Luther Cresmann in the 30's. They found sagebrush sandals that were dated 9-10,000 years old. Dates that align well to a land bridge arrival of early humans to the Americas.

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Re: Archeological dig on the Miami River. [Re: run] #7836686
04/02/23 07:35 PM
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Netflix, Ancient Apocalypse, pretty interesting series. Makes one think for sure, a lot of coincidences to be random some would say…. BP, this guy might upset ya, but go in with no preconceived ideas. Might help ya if I told ya Trump disagrees maybe…. Lol


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Re: Archeological dig on the Miami River. [Re: run] #7836730
04/02/23 08:26 PM
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All these TV series tend to dramatize things and stray off good science from what Ive seen. Tried and true science, peer reviewed and reported in reputable scientific outlets like Scientific American is plenty exciting enough on its own for me.


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Re: Archeological dig on the Miami River. [Re: run] #7836885
04/02/23 11:09 PM
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@ 7000bp the ocean floor was way lower than it is today
this occupation was well inland from the coast

but the 200 M to buy the site is past the point of economics
what is ashame is the company only has to hand over recovered material a not pay anything more than that

Re: Archeological dig on the Miami River. [Re: run] #7836910
04/03/23 12:16 AM
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We have had periods on earth when humans could not survive. One period when dinosaurs roamed had oxygen contents so high that the atmosphere would have been toxic to Homo sapiens. I have never read that people were distributed by plate tectonics.

Re: Archeological dig on the Miami River. [Re: run] #7836913
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Was the ocean level lower all over the planet? Where else could humans have walked or made a fairly short boat ride to get to new areas? How far was it from Ireland to Iceland? Or to greenland?

Re: Archeological dig on the Miami River. [Re: charles] #7836919
04/03/23 12:43 AM
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Originally Posted by charles
We have had periods on earth when humans could not survive. One period when dinosaurs roamed had oxygen contents so high that the atmosphere would have been toxic to Homo sapiens. I have never read that people were distributed by plate tectonics.

Plate tectonics is pretty slow. But once Africa and South America were one. That was what the comment was about.

I've never heard that higher oxygen levels during the jurassic period would have precluded the existence of mammals. Sounds suspicious to me.


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Re: Archeological dig on the Miami River. [Re: run] #7836926
04/03/23 01:27 AM
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I read the genetics of all Native Americans was of Asian decent. Some native Alaskan language is similar to lower 48 tribes.

I dont buy into the mother Africa theory. I dont belive we all came from Africa. I am going with extraterrestrial hybrid.

I have mammoth bones and ivory worked by ancient humans for tools, but it dont mean it was fresh ivory when it was worked. (but dont mean it wasn't either). We have alot of mammoth graveyards near and the people used them when they could.

Re: Archeological dig on the Miami River. [Re: run] #7836932
04/03/23 02:02 AM
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Yukon, testing your theory here: Do you also believe that chimpanzees came from "elsewhere"? Just asking since we share about 98% of our DNA with them. That would sure be coincidental wouldn't it?

(Unless they also came from the same "somewhere").

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Re: Archeological dig on the Miami River. [Re: run] #7836937
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Are your sure your 98 % chimpanzee ? smile

So testing your theory. Are you saying that chimpanzee's evolved into Africans and then caucasions evolved from them and appeared at the other end of the earth ?

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Re: Archeological dig on the Miami River. [Re: run] #7837163
04/03/23 11:15 AM
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What about Atlantis?
It is said that the Highly advanced civilization of the antidiluvian Atlantis people colonized and brought with them their knowledge to egypt,greece and many other old known civilizations when Atlantis sunk.The Atlantans were said to be responsible for the spread of civilization in many places around the world
Some likely went to North America also.
Hail Atlantis!

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Re: Archeological dig on the Miami River. [Re: yukonjeff] #7837179
04/03/23 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by yukonjeff
Are your sure your 98 % chimpanzee ? smile

So testing your theory. Are you saying that chimpanzee's evolved into Africans and then caucasions evolved from them and appeared at the other end of the earth ?


I am only as sure as what I read in the scientific literature. The higher the % of shared DNA the more closely related we are. Meaning that we most certainly have shared ancestors in our past.

How much shared DNA would you expect from creatures that come from different planets?

And on the second thought, No. I'm not saying that nor does any credible scientist. What is suggested by the evidence is a shared common ancestor. And as far as DNA goes 2% is actually a lot.

We share 70% of our DNA with a garden slug.


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Re: Archeological dig on the Miami River. [Re: run] #7837198
04/03/23 12:47 PM
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There’s also the concept of souletreans who came across following the ice around Northern Europe.., Greenland, Maine….. the reason for this is that a few digs along the east coast have found artifacts below Clovis zone..clovis culture is approximately 14,000 years old… soulutreans are thought to have been around Spain and coastal Europe 20,000 years ago.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solutrean_hypothesis

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Re: Archeological dig on the Miami River. [Re: run] #7837222
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^^^The only issue with that is there is no DNA contribution from Europe to first nation peoples prior to 1492 to back up the theory. If they did make it here they didn't last.


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