Re: Bee season is here
[Re: Providence Farm]
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04/05/23 04:03 PM
04/05/23 04:03 PM
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Calvin
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"Generally" a hive that obsconds in fall (no bees in it come spring) is a result of high mite count. Been there, done that.
Not all hot hives need a new queen. A skunk messing with your hive will make them "HOT" as well. This usually happens to the outer hives. Always look for skunk activity when dealing with a hot hive.
I've done walk away splits and grafted queens in the past. I've gone to just letting my best hives get a little cramped, then harvest the swarm cells. Swarm cells make some of the best queens I've found. No need to overcomplicate it.
We had (and are still having) a hard winter up here. I suspected a heavier loss than I am seeing so far (not out of the woods, yet). Think I'm probably at a 15 % loss out of 70 hives...which is good for this far north. I will contribute this lack of loss to the extended release Oxalic acid sponge method that Randy Oliver promotes (along with my normal mite treatment).
Bees are like barn cats: You start with a couple, then before you know it, you have far more than you want to deal with and you keep looking for people to give them away to. Might as well keep building boxes.
One of the answers to making a profit with bees is to never buy them but to make your own. Go into winter heavy, knowing you'll lose a few.
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Re: Bee season is here
[Re: Calvin]
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04/05/23 04:54 PM
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"Generally" a hive that obsconds in fall (no bees in it come spring) is a result of high mite count. Been there, done that.
Not all hot hives need a new queen. A skunk messing with your hive will make them "HOT" as well. This usually happens to the outer hives. Always look for skunk activity when dealing with a hot hive.
I've done walk away splits and grafted queens in the past. I've gone to just letting my best hives get a little cramped, then harvest the swarm cells. Swarm cells make some of the best queens I've found. No need to overcomplicate it.
We had (and are still having) a hard winter up here. I suspected a heavier loss than I am seeing so far (not out of the woods, yet). Think I'm probably at a 15 % loss out of 70 hives...which is good for this far north. I will contribute this lack of loss to the extended release Oxalic acid sponge method that Randy Oliver promotes (along with my normal mite treatment).
Bees are like barn cats: You start with a couple, then before you know it, you have far more than you want to deal with and you keep looking for people to give them away to. Might as well keep building boxes.
One of the answers to making a profit with bees is to never buy them but to make your own. Go into winter heavy, knowing you'll lose a few. I had 8 hive in that yard. Wouldn't the other have mite issues if one was so bad they left since they interact so much? The rest of them are nearly busting at the seems with bees. The only bees I have purchased have been queens. I have also harvest queen cells. Lucked out doing an inspection and caught them hatching. Got 4 out of that. My largest issue is time. I'm away from home working so much I don't get to my inspections as often as I should. I loose queens every spring after seeing the hives are doing great like they are now. In 3 weeks or less I will have queen loses. It seem to coincide with crop spraying. I don't catch it and end up with laying workers. Those two hives were hot last summer as well. Could hardly feed them without getting stung.
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Re: Bee season is here
[Re: Providence Farm]
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04/05/23 05:22 PM
04/05/23 05:22 PM
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Been at Ky. Lake for 2 weeks Crappie fishing vising the son and grandkids when I left I had lost 1 hive out of 30 and 1 very weak hope to put honey supers on Friday and Saturday.
Government making sin legal does not make it right.
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Re: Bee season is here
[Re: Providence Farm]
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04/05/23 05:27 PM
04/05/23 05:27 PM
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Anyone else tried grill smoker pellets in their smokers. I stsrt them with leaves and add pellets on top. Once they are lit they stay lit and smoke very well. The only draw back is the creosote builds up in the lid. They'll roll out the top if you tilt your smoker. A handful of pine straw stuffed down on top prevents that.
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Re: Bee season is here
[Re: Keystonekiller]
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04/05/23 05:53 PM
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Lol I like that cotton .....so I had my first hive was a group of wild bees I guess just found my hive I had sitting out well they made it through the winter but the first nice day about a month ago they left any ideas what happened or what I did wrong ? How much is it for a queen? Queens pricing depends on where you get them and how many. My semi local guy 70 mins away is $45 each. Ordering them the price goes down with volume and shipping cost can be spread out on several vs just one. There are different breads of bees that have different traits and do better in different climates.
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Re: Bee season is here
[Re: Providence Farm]
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04/05/23 09:45 PM
04/05/23 09:45 PM
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Calvin
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"Generally" a hive that obsconds in fall (no bees in it come spring) is a result of high mite count. Been there, done that.
Not all hot hives need a new queen. A skunk messing with your hive will make them "HOT" as well. This usually happens to the outer hives. Always look for skunk activity when dealing with a hot hive.
I've done walk away splits and grafted queens in the past. I've gone to just letting my best hives get a little cramped, then harvest the swarm cells. Swarm cells make some of the best queens I've found. No need to overcomplicate it.
We had (and are still having) a hard winter up here. I suspected a heavier loss than I am seeing so far (not out of the woods, yet). Think I'm probably at a 15 % loss out of 70 hives...which is good for this far north. I will contribute this lack of loss to the extended release Oxalic acid sponge method that Randy Oliver promotes (along with my normal mite treatment).
Bees are like barn cats: You start with a couple, then before you know it, you have far more than you want to deal with and you keep looking for people to give them away to. Might as well keep building boxes.
One of the answers to making a profit with bees is to never buy them but to make your own. Go into winter heavy, knowing you'll lose a few. I had 8 hive in that yard. Wouldn't the other have mite issues if one was so bad they left since they interact so much? The rest of them are nearly busting at the seems with bees. The only bees I have purchased have been queens. I have also harvest queen cells. Lucked out doing an inspection and caught them hatching. Got 4 out of that. My largest issue is time. I'm away from home working so much I don't get to my inspections as often as I should. I loose queens every spring after seeing the hives are doing great like they are now. In 3 weeks or less I will have queen loses. It seem to coincide with crop spraying. I don't catch it and end up with laying workers. Those two hives were hot last summer as well. Could hardly feed them without getting stung. I've had hives butting up next to each other that were night and day as far as mite counts go....I wouldn't say its that uncommon. And yes, we all miss one, or two of these outliers once in awhile. It won't be the first, or the last time for either of us. I also agree that these hot hives can and do produce more honey. I had a hot hive that I kept for several years that always did much better than the rest. I was happy to finally see them die off, however. IMO, it wasn't worth the hassle. I've also had many mean hives turn back to docile in a weeks time for some unknown reason. Most times (for me anyhow) a sudden change in temperament is a skunk knocking at their door. Always good to keep the skunk essence needle and jar handy in the summer. I always lose a few queens the first couple weeks of September for some reason. Happens every year. Haven't figured that one out, either. And I've never had luck combining hives that late in the season. They never make it through the winter for some odd reason I can't figure. Just some observations is all.
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Re: Bee season is here
[Re: warrior]
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04/05/23 10:06 PM
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I've got to have at least one good hot hive. That's the mean mother that I put on the end of the row closest to the road. Don't have vandalism in my yard, lol. My hives at home are out of sight 600 yards and in the other side of a woods from the road except one and it's 300 yard from the road behind a gate and fence. My out yard thay are closer to a road but not a busy road and visible from two houses.. other than cool and stinks I have not had anything mess with my hives yet.
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