Re: Narcan
[Re: AntiGov]
#7839320
04/05/23 11:22 PM
04/05/23 11:22 PM
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North East Kansas
Marty
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North East Kansas
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sad to see our country go down the toilet this way....hopefully some catostrophic event happens and that will start the change needed.
Rise and Rise Again Until Lambs Become Lions
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Re: Narcan
[Re: Jtrapper]
#7839330
04/05/23 11:42 PM
04/05/23 11:42 PM
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St. Louis Co, Mo
BigBob
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St. Louis Co, Mo
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It's not your run of the mill 'junkie' dieing in the street, it's the kid down the street! Crap has killed more than covid ever could dream of yet crickets from the communist media and gov. we are under cause they would have to admit it's all traced back to their open border policy.
Or, the bedroom down the hall!
Every kid needs a Dog and a Curmudgeon.
Remember Bowe Bergdahl, the traitor.
Beware! Jill Pudlewski, Ron Oates and Keven Begesse are liars and thiefs!
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Re: Narcan
[Re: AntiGov]
#7839334
04/05/23 11:46 PM
04/05/23 11:46 PM
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Joined: Dec 2006
St. Louis Co, Mo
BigBob
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St. Louis Co, Mo
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They say our paper money is like 95% positive for drugs, cocain, heroin etc, how soon before some upstanding citizen gets killed by fentanyl on their change?
Every kid needs a Dog and a Curmudgeon.
Remember Bowe Bergdahl, the traitor.
Beware! Jill Pudlewski, Ron Oates and Keven Begesse are liars and thiefs!
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Re: Narcan
[Re: AntiGov]
#7839339
04/06/23 12:05 AM
04/06/23 12:05 AM
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Joined: Jan 2014
North East Kansas
Marty
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North East Kansas
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well, if money itself becomes toxic then they can get what they desire sooner....no more paper money.
Rise and Rise Again Until Lambs Become Lions
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Re: Narcan
[Re: BigBob]
#7839342
04/06/23 12:12 AM
04/06/23 12:12 AM
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Joined: Jan 2008
Alaska and Washington State
waggler
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Alaska and Washington State
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They say our paper money is like 95% positive for drugs, cocain, heroin etc, how soon before some upstanding citizen gets killed by fentanyl on their change? I think this is probably BS. Designed to make us eager for a cashless society .
"My life is better than your vacation"
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Re: Narcan
[Re: Nbhunt1]
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04/06/23 12:13 AM
04/06/23 12:13 AM
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Yukon
yukon254
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Yukon
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I am a firefighter/emt and have used narcan on many people. Over the course of my career I have felt the same way as many of the responses above. The statements are mostly accurate too. 99% of the people we save have already od once or they’ll od again. And many will eventually die from their drug use. So I understand the attitude of it being “self correcting”. I really do. I’ve felt the exact same thing doing cpr while waiting for the narcan to kick in, all the while looking at the 4 year old crying in the corner because her daddy won’t wake up. It’s a bad feeling wondering if that kid would be better off if I didn’t get her daddy back. But every now and again I get to save an 18 year old kid who took a pill he didn’t know had been soaked in fentanyl. And every now and again that kid gets clean, straightens his life up, and by all appearances shows no signs of relapsing. There’s no reason to think he won’t live a productive life and raise a family of his own. I’m personally grateful that all my stupid has not been self correcting. Another angle I consider. If we should let an addict “self correct”, where do we draw the line? Should we let diabetics “self correct” when their sugar drops? Mouth cancer patients that dip or chew? Smokers with lung cancer? Over weight heart patients? Drunks that wrap themselves around a tree? Again, I’ve had the same thoughts as above, but I think it’s a razor thin line that has no business in my mind. Agree 100%. I work as an EMT when Im not in the bush so I know exactly how you feel. A friend was about as far down the addiction trail as a person can get and he turned things around. He had a long successful career after he got clean. It happens.
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Re: Narcan
[Re: DWC]
#7839354
04/06/23 12:35 AM
04/06/23 12:35 AM
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Joined: Apr 2018
Delta Junction, Ak.
victor#0
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Delta Junction, Ak.
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You all will get your wish soon enough. Xylazine is in more and more fentanyl now, called “tranq”. Not an opioid, so narcan doesnt work. I think there’s a blocker, but it’s not out there yet. Tranq also known as the zombie drug becuase it causes your skin to rot and fall off leaving big open sores. Like DWC said narcan is innefective when someone overdoses.
Dog faced pony soldier and proud of it!
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Re: Narcan
[Re: AntiGov]
#7839357
04/06/23 12:42 AM
04/06/23 12:42 AM
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Joined: Nov 2010
Rochester, MN
Teacher
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Rochester, MN
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I’m on the fence on this. One side of me says, “let them go”. The other side says, “be Christian and do what you can to save them”. Having been through a child’s suicide, it almost destroys the family to go through an avoidable death. So, I’m on the side that says save them until they can’t be saved.
Never too old to learn
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Re: Narcan
[Re: AntiGov]
#7839361
04/06/23 12:50 AM
04/06/23 12:50 AM
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Joined: Jan 2014
North East Kansas
Marty
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North East Kansas
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people in the depths of addiction to very hard drugs are beyond saving for the most part....95%+ are done.
hard drugs would not be as difficult to get off as fentanyl or the new zombie stuff...look at mike jackson....had everything a person could want and more and died an addict. many, many examples and I speak as a man of experience in this matter...
Rise and Rise Again Until Lambs Become Lions
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Re: Narcan
[Re: AntiGov]
#7839366
04/06/23 01:03 AM
04/06/23 01:03 AM
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Joined: Dec 2020
Wisconsin
Scott__aR
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Wisconsin
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As a retired EMT/firefighter, Narcan does save lives; but it's not a cure for the problem. There was a time when paramedics were the heros, as their could carry it, but BLS couldn't. Glad things have changed. With the intro of fentanyl, first responder incidences of exposure has increased. While my chance of exposure is exponentially less having retired, if I could get Narcan for free, I would carry two doses for myself because it's difficult not being a good samaritan when people are in distress.
Addicts carrying Narcan, I don't know ... seems to be enabling, providing a false sense of no negative consequences. It doesn't always work.
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Re: Narcan
[Re: AntiGov]
#7839369
04/06/23 01:08 AM
04/06/23 01:08 AM
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North East Kansas
Marty
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North East Kansas
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free narcan for druggies meanwhile a 70 year old vet needs to decide between buying food or his meds...
Rise and Rise Again Until Lambs Become Lions
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Re: Narcan
[Re: AntiGov]
#7839431
04/06/23 06:51 AM
04/06/23 06:51 AM
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J Staton
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J Staton
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If put in a position to save someone I would do it. Makes no difference whether they kick the addiction or not. I'll let God Almighty handle his/her fate.
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Re: Narcan
[Re: AntiGov]
#7839436
04/06/23 07:00 AM
04/06/23 07:00 AM
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Joined: Jan 2007
Northern Minnesota
BernieB.
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Northern Minnesota
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I'm around people all the time who have recovered from the most severe drug addictions you can imagine. So many of them are walking, talking examples of the hope that is available to everyone. Restored to their families, relationships restored, in a good job and a productive worker. Many of them become full time counselors. You'd be surprised how many of them nearly died and were recovered by Narcan. As long as there is a breath in them, there's hope. Give them every chance at life, enough of them will recover to make it all worthwhile. Drug abuse is more than stupid people making stupid mistakes. In virtually every case, life is stacked against them and they are looking for ways to smother the pain of traumatic incidents in their life, and in many cases they grew up in the drug culture and didn't really have a chance because they didn't know any other way. I hear their stories and my heart hurts for them and my heart is filled with joy every time someone escapes and their life is transformed. Save every one you can by any means necessary. This short video shows the side of it that few people see from sound bites in the media: https://vimeo.com/771607095
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Re: Narcan
[Re: AntiGov]
#7839459
04/06/23 07:36 AM
04/06/23 07:36 AM
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Joined: Dec 2006
williamsburg ks
danny clifton
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williamsburg ks
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If drugs were legal people would go back to heroin. People live decades addicted to heroin. the OD's that are not suicide is from not knowing how pure the heroin is when bought from a drug dealer and not a pharmacy. This fentanyl/tranq thing is the result of brandon being in bed with the chinese. They can manufacture both without the need for poppies.
I believe if welfare were stopped and drugs legal the problem would self reduce in a hurry.
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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Re: Narcan
[Re: T-REV]
#7839478
04/06/23 08:14 AM
04/06/23 08:14 AM
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west virginia usa
randall brannon
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west virginia usa
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Im with Warrior. OD seems to be the cure. EXACTLY!!! Demonrats want to keep it going . The only way they can get votes. Mush Brains.
God please keep they 19 fallen UBB miners out of trouble up there.
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