Just one more thing that needs managed legally, but never will.

Yep! Also I never said to wipe them from the face of the Earth, proper management of all predators is needed. Otherwise it's an agenda.

Lots of times they kill and just leave it

Probably due to DDT that wiped them out back then.



We used to burn witches and think the earth was flat too.



Yup, nailed it. I mosty eat TV dinners and take out.

You see it wasn't bad enough we clear cut the plains to make way for agriculture, (of course we are all appreciative of that.)much of the forest cleared so destruction of habitat combined with persecution from hilljack rednecks that think that birds of prey are eating all their food, when in fact are eating more rats and mice. In if you cant keep your chickens out of the food chain its your fault.

I can legaly shoot some birds of prey here including owls. I just have no reason too.

Yukon you know how tree hugers are out of touch with reality and the natural world? Your out of touch when it come to farming and live stock predation.

So if a fox is killing your chickens it's ok to eliminate the problem but if a bird of prey is doing the same it needs to be left alone?
One thing I know that is different here than it was in the past, there was more small game. I reckon though if I could step out my door and kill caribou, moose, etc. I wouldn't care how many cottontails hawks consume.

Not true. They only hunt when hungry, they do not thrill kill.

It was common sense too. Seems to be a real lack of that these days. Our small game populations have plummeted. We have redtails in overabundance. We have government agencies reintroducing predators our forefathers had the common sense to eliminate.

Redtails are a big problem here. They have cost me hundreds of dollars in chickens and having to buy bird netting to protect my flocks. Having them federally protected is just plain stupid. Can anybody tell me what exactly is the point of that?

Protected means bigger fines if they catch you killing one.

So I didn't watch a bald eagle smoke a mallard female carry it 30 yards then drop it and never come back? I watched the duck drift across the lake to the bank. That was at 9am and we fished tell after dark. Checked on the way to the boat ramp and the dead duck was still there uneaten. I must have just dreamed that up. Funny my wife, cousin and his wife had the exact same dream.

No farmers are out of touch with the natural world.They created the habitat the hawks are trying to exist in.



No I believe in killing one in defense of life and property, meaning if you catch on in the act. Not if you and Bubba are driving down the road drinking beer and want to plink hawks off telephone poles. And if you depend on rabbits for food, that says a lot about your hunting skills with deer and other small game coming out your ears down there.



No its not sensible in any aspect. We dont have an over abundance of birds of prey. We dont see huge flocks of hawks like we do snow geese. The small game populations have plummeted because of farming practices that dont allow for any habitat for native animals.

Lots of knowledge about farmers there Yukon. Quit typical I'm sure you spend a lot of time on all those farms in Alaska. Most likely read about it or saw it on the news and now an expert like those talking about the powerfull 9mm lung remover and super powerful AR 15 with shoulder thingy that goes up.

I conseed to your superior experience and wisdom.

I'm a falconer, I fly a redtail for game. I need to get that birds weight down before I take him out, he won't hunt if he's not hungry. Once I allow him to feed up it's going to be a few days before he has any interest in hunting.

Ya know, if I take him out to my rabbit spots to hunt and we flush 6 rabbits it's a fantastic day if he's able to get one, most times we take none out of 6 flushes. If I had a shotgun, I'd have 6 rabbits, the daily limit, each time out. You tell me who is the most lethal predator.

If you're losing chickens to BOP's you're doing a lousy job of protecting your fowl from predators and probably shouldn't own them. I have meat birds as well as layers, and have never lost a bird to predators, and I live in the woods. We also grow our own produce, and I have issues with deer, rabbit, coons, possums...I suppose we should just be able to shoot them anytime we want as well....oh wait, you can't, as they are also protected.

I try to be self sustained, but know going in that I'm going to lose some of what I grow or raise to the critters who live among me. If you can't accept that, stick to the supermarkets for your food.

Regardless of your opinion yukon, small game was much more abundant when birds of prey were controlled. Witnessed it with my own eyes.

If you could imagine you had one of those red tailed hawks posted on every power pole you would get a picture of the south. Why is it okay to control all other predators but not birds of prey? Is it a religious thing?

Right you are sir unless these people are losing livestock which equals livelihood they don’t care red tails are worthless in my opinion

So have I. I'm old enough that I witnessed the heyday of small game in southern Pennsylvania. I have also witnessed the severe decline. While the habitat has changed for the worse that is only a small part of the equation. I hunt lots of gamelands with thousands of acres groomed specifically for small game by the Food and cover Division of the PA Game Commission. The small game just isn't there. But the raptors sure are.

The lack of cover theory that so many like to spout is bullcrap. Predation is the number one problem keeping small game population low in the areas I hunt.

If the game is not there, why are the raptors there? Apparently there is nothing for them to eat!

Try Goss hawlks. Flying them from the fist is much more fun and successful that red tail laddering up in the tree.

Yes a shotgun is much more successful. Birds are more fun.

Now on to being a poor chicken owner. I suppose your birds are keep in a covered run that's down to Bare dirt from chicken traffic and the high nitrogen in their wast? How many birds do you keep 6, 12, 24, most likey not more than 50 egg layers and i bet you are not raising even 100 meat birds a year. Yet you have the nerve to tell me I should not have chickens or I'm doing it wrong. Quit a high horse you have there yet your views still seem obstructed.

They don't just eat rabbits they eat snakes, rabbits, mice voles and small birds as well and more of them becuse they are more plentiful. They will gladly take out rabbits, quail, and other game when it's presented.

But like coyotes they will eat a wide variety of things to fill their belly.