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Re: Colorado Wildlife Winterkill [Re: wy.wolfer] #7845265
04/14/23 12:08 PM
04/14/23 12:08 PM
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Supplemental feeding is probably a good solution (in the future) it's to late now. Most ungulates are still dropping over dead. We got another 8" last night, which means the early onion grass that is important to big game in the spring will not come up maybe until May. And Dirt, yep, it's getting to need to be a law school graduate to figure out the Colorado wildlife licensing regulations and applying for permits. All across the counter licenses are either for way over hunted public areas, or private land areas that cost to much money to hunt, unless you're very well off.

Re: Colorado Wildlife Winterkill [Re: wy.wolfer] #7845311
04/14/23 01:34 PM
04/14/23 01:34 PM
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Re: Colorado Wildlife Winterkill [Re: danvee] #7845445
04/14/23 08:53 PM
04/14/23 08:53 PM
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Originally Posted by danvee
Well we have closed close to 200,000 acres to private and road access to blm and forest so far and just starting. If the state wont protect the wildlife we will and winter feed most of it.


Regardless of wildlife, this stance from you is not surprising. Purposely keeping citizens from property they own, whether they are hunting or just recreating, is wrongful. But as stated, with your positions on things not surprising…. We all know you and your ilk kniw what is best for us…


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Re: Colorado Wildlife Winterkill [Re: wy.wolfer] #7845533
04/14/23 11:11 PM
04/14/23 11:11 PM
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I’m sure the hunters paying high dollars will still be allowed on.
I’m not sure how wildlife survived for 1000s of years before Danvee was around to protect them.


I’ve been sayin yes sir all day at work, I’ve been sayin yes ma’am at home…
Re: Colorado Wildlife Winterkill [Re: wy.wolfer] #7845537
04/14/23 11:21 PM
04/14/23 11:21 PM
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And yes, I understand about winter ranges & travel corridors being lost or transformed by human development or barriers. Just that public land is public land. No different than wealthy folks buying up land in order to landlock vast expanses of public land and allowing no access in my mind.


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Re: Colorado Wildlife Winterkill [Re: wy.wolfer] #7845572
04/15/23 02:01 AM
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Supplemental feeding is not a good choice look at what is happening on the Jackson wildlife refuge as well as others. The elk are spreading covid, bangs, scabies and TB.. Then leave in the spring and spread it to uninfected animals and cattle. As far as keeping people off private that is our choice. As far as keeping people off public land by access of my land that is our choice. They can access public during none hunting or through other means but not during hunting season. My family wont be hunting this year. As far as what you think about me or my choices to protect wildlife that I feed for six months of the year, I could give a flying flip and you can stay in your state and think what you want. I have let folks on to hunt for over 60 years and manage for wildlife and a good hunting experience. Most years folks have harvested over 30 elk and I would not venture to guess how many deer or antelope. If the game and fish dont care we do, stay home if you dont like it.

Re: Colorado Wildlife Winterkill [Re: wy.wolfer] #7845575
04/15/23 02:46 AM
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Oh I did mean Chronic wasting not covid though I do hear covid and avian flu is now getting mammals. Maybe just maybe this bad winter may stop some of the crud killing wildlife natures way but you need some brood stock.

Re: Colorado Wildlife Winterkill [Re: Catch22] #7845682
04/15/23 08:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Catch22
Most DNR'S now, have an agenda. Y'all have a struggle ahead of you and think about it. Ya wouldn't if your DNR was in your camp.

They're putting the Hunter on the Endangered species list.


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Re: Colorado Wildlife Winterkill [Re: danvee] #7845726
04/15/23 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by danvee
Supplemental feeding is not a good choice look at what is happening on the Jackson wildlife refuge as well as others. The elk are spreading covid, bangs, scabies and TB.. Then leave in the spring and spread it to uninfected animals and cattle. As far as keeping people off private that is our choice. As far as keeping people off public land by access of my land that is our choice. They can access public during none hunting or through other means but not during hunting season. My family wont be hunting this year. As far as what you think about me or my choices to protect wildlife that I feed for six months of the year, I could give a flying flip and you can stay in your state and think what you want. I have let folks on to hunt for over 60 years and manage for wildlife and a good hunting experience. Most years folks have harvested over 30 elk and I would not venture to guess how many deer or antelope. If the game and fish dont care we do, stay home if you dont like it.

It's people with your attitude that is killing the wildlife. Don't kid yourself, you're responsible for the spread of those diseases.

Re: Colorado Wildlife Winterkill [Re: wy.wolfer] #7845730
04/15/23 10:02 AM
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Wyoming is the only state I know of where you can block access to public land. And most of the ranchers I know of there charge for access during hunting season. Just like Texas where you have to be rich to hunt. Except Wyoming does still have a lot of public land you hunt, but there is a lot of public land you can't get to either.

Re: Colorado Wildlife Winterkill [Re: wy.wolfer] #7845743
04/15/23 10:35 AM
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Renting a helicopter ride to access private locked public land is always fun. Especially when the private owner realizes they can't do a thing about it except get all upset because their monopoly was broke.

Re: Colorado Wildlife Winterkill [Re: wy.wolfer] #7845768
04/15/23 11:06 AM
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Danvee - will you have livestock on that public land? Wouldn’t that livestock be taking food that would otherwise help the animals? So if you are worried about the animals, then you should not graze that public land.
I believe if ranchers use landlocked public land for grazing then they should be required to allow access to that public land.
Is now a good time to talk about corner crossing?


I’ve been sayin yes sir all day at work, I’ve been sayin yes ma’am at home…
Re: Colorado Wildlife Winterkill [Re: 330-Trapper] #7845775
04/15/23 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by 330-Trapper
Originally Posted by Catch22
Most DNR'S now, have an agenda. Y'all have a struggle ahead of you and think about it. Ya wouldn't if your DNR was in your camp.

They're putting the Hunter on the Endangered species list.

^^^^^


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Re: Colorado Wildlife Winterkill [Re: DaveP] #7845778
04/15/23 11:27 AM
04/15/23 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by DaveP
Originally Posted by Trapper7
Colorado increased their cow license to $750 for non-residents. That will help reduce the number of non-residents.



Remember when they raised it to $450 or 500, then complained about not enough cows being taken, then dropped it to $250?


I do. They lost over half of their non-resident hunters that year. So, they dropped the price the following year back to the $250.


I don't always carry all my groceries on one arm, but when I do, my keys are usually in the wrong pocket.
Re: Colorado Wildlife Winterkill [Re: Average Joe] #7845782
04/15/23 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Average Joe
Danvee - will you have livestock on that public land? Wouldn’t that livestock be taking food that would otherwise help the animals? So if you are worried about the animals, then you should not graze that public land.
I believe if ranchers use landlocked public land for grazing then they should be required to allow access to that public land.
Is now a good time to talk about corner crossing?



True dat rite dare !!!! laugh

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Re: Colorado Wildlife Winterkill [Re: wy.wolfer] #7845783
04/15/23 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by 330-Trapper
Originally Posted by Catch22
Most DNR'S now, have an agenda. Y'all have a struggle ahead of you and think about it. Ya wouldn't if your DNR was in your camp.

They're putting the Hunter on the Endangered species list.

^^^^^
I'd say not most in our state, but we do have our share with anterior motives


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Re: Colorado Wildlife Winterkill [Re: wy.wolfer] #7845797
04/15/23 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by wy.wolfer
Supplemental feeding is probably a good solution


Originally Posted by danvee
If the state won't protect wildlife we will and
winter feed most of it.


Wildlife Biology 101 says you don't artificially feed wildlife, as it
restricts their range, concentrates the herds, exposes them
to higher rates of predation & spread of disease,
and damages the range for years to come due to over browsing,

Better to let nature take it course to bring those artificially high
populations of game animals (that are protected on land locked
public land and private ground and sold to sport hunters as a
cash crop by landowners) back down to the true carrying capacity
of the range.

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Re: Colorado Wildlife Winterkill [Re: Kansasace2] #7845803
04/15/23 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Kansasace2
Renting a helicopter ride to access private locked public land is always fun. Especially when the private owner realizes they can't do a thing about it except get all upset because their monopoly was broke.


Good to see that public land is actually being accessed. I knew a guy that had a helicopter and hunted all by himself on public land. Cubs might work too.


Who is John Galt?
Re: Colorado Wildlife Winterkill [Re: bearcat2] #7845817
04/15/23 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by bearcat2
Wyoming is the only state I know of where you can block access to public land. And most of the ranchers I know of there charge for access during hunting season. Just like Texas where you have to be rich to hunt. Except Wyoming does still have a lot of public land you hunt, but there is a lot of public land you can't get to either.

The public land access issue in Wyoming is unique.
The positives that I see as a Wyoming resident is that Wyoming is still legislated by influence of the ranching community. This is a plus when it comes to protecting our rights to hunt trap and fish. Fortunately according to our constitution each state has some sovereignty left.
That is as long as we don't put in politician's that will give our sovereignty away. We as individuals should have the right to deny access through private property. This should olso be a sovereign right. I think that using eniment domain for creating public access has been considered. The Game and fish commission has a pretty good relationship with ranchers and farmers on there walk in programs for hunting and using eniment domain may damage this relationship. Most ranchers that lease land locked public land will alow trapping but not to just anyone . Usually to a reputable responsible trapper who they trust . Is this right? I can't say. I do know if I had an issue with these policies I'd either become involved in politics sick or leave Wyoming. Not!!!


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Re: Colorado Wildlife Winterkill [Re: wy.wolfer] #7845832
04/15/23 01:07 PM
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Public land that can’t be accessed isn’t exactly public land. DNR or the State should have an easement to such land or deny anyone rights to it. From what I’ve seen is private land that has their own free grazing and hunting paid for by the taxpayers. Guess it’s welfare for ranchers. I own this, but I want this for free and someone else to pay for it. Not the brightest thinking by DNR.

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