I have a Voere Titan-Menor. Its an Austrian Rifle company or was. I had never heard of them until I was at a range just off of Camp LeJuene many years ago shooting my AR. There was a guy shooting this bolt action rifle and having a fit. I was chuckling at how mad he was getting. After a while he asked if he could have a few rounds, I had 5.56 military rounds, so off he went. He fire a few shots, walked out to his target and came back a cussing. He showed me his target with the rounds tumbling. He looked at his rifle, said a few curse words and grabbed his gear, slammed the rifle in trash, saying to me “take or leave it, it’s trash to me” and off he went. I took it. I bought some .223 rounds for it and it has shot perfect for years.
It has a set trigger like a muzzleloader. It is drop dead accurate, it is arguably the most accurate rifle I have ever shot. I been watching Gun Broker for another one but can only ever find in .308.

1.was wondering when some would say that
2. Because I like doing that ,
3. That's what I want a cheap one.
4. Don't worry I'll be having something much nicer custom built in a moth or two

Want on or two of those but man their getting hard to find and these fudds on gun broker ....

Reading this makes me ask it again
WHY WOULD ANYONE put a different barrel on one ?
Yes stock isn’t flashy! You can’t say “ I got a 3000 dollar rifle “ But if the end result is accuracy why mess with it ?
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Let's see... Some of want to experiment with different twist rates , some like different barrel contours , maybe I wanna wildcat. you know this cal boat face just need to replace the barrel, and if of course, some peoel might actually shoot a barrel out

Kinda a PRS thing. Really just want this so when I have new shooters with me they can have something that a lil bigger but still not scary. That and I want something cheap and versatile to reload. Definitely gonna be putting it in a chassis though. Want it to be nice and adjustable for other shooters

Your money your time ! Knock yourself out !

But when I hear people changing barrels , loads , ect . It’s to improve accuracy. Even in your previous threads you are tinkering with variables trying to improve ACCURACY. Hard to beat same hole accuracy. But of course a savage axis isn’t as photogenic as a tacted out 2500 dollar build . Hey slap some pink and yellow zebra pattern on it ! It will look cute in the photos!
But after you put your time and money into it please don’t shoot it gun for gun against a out of the box axis with a decent scope on it . Your invest will go home with some one else.

then your not really rifle shopping , your chassis shopping

probably the Ruger is going to be the easiest thing to put in a chassis

I am actually sort of surprised Ruger doesn't make a Ruger Precision rifle in 223/5.56 they have the ruger precision in 308 and 6.5 and that is hugely popular. they also have the Ruger precision rimfire.
I guess 223/5.56 PRS type guns are not as in demand and it shows some in the chassis market also.


another idea might be the Ruger ranch with the Magpul hunter stock , it would save you about half the cost of the chassis and still be quite configurable for LOP and Cheek comb

a Boyds AT1 stock is also an option that would give you more configurability.

I do sort of have to ask , why not just put an adjustable stock on an AR and be done you can complete that build for less than the bolt gun build.
something like a Magpul PRS , PRS gen 3 or PRS light

while i can see the bolt gun PRS thing , your not training new shooters beyond the capability of a AR for accuracy

you have them learning on a ar platform 22lr , why not go right to AR in 223/5.56?

especially when you start getting into position shooting , not having to break position to work a bolt you can teach faster.

by the way I think the sooner you get them off the bench into positions the better , as soon as they have making hits down it is time to get them off the bench .
just my opinion.
build the shooter to make good enough hits from every position
dial in that prone so they can make consistent 4moa hits

part of why steel backed with sand pit is fun , they get hit or miss confirmation however there is definitely a time for paper also , it tells a better story on their group of what they are doing.

sort of a train it on paper ,now go bang some steel for fun to keep it chill.

how far out does your range go ?
the range you can have new shooters at.

Savage is most user friendly for switching barrels/calibers.

Barrels are simple to headspace, no lathe required and bolts can be changed from 223 to .473 (308/30-06 size case heads) to magnum seized bo!t head easily too by just changing the bolt head.

Not that you'd be doing that!

with many barrel manufactures offering what they call Remlage pattern barrels even the 700 isn't hard to do any more as long as your not changing head size.
Remlage is Remington thread pattern with long threads and you use a barrel nut similar to Savage

Yep.

I've been doing it the old way on Remingtons so I don't have to mess with the stock, but that is an option!

I had a savage model 10 predator .223 in mossy oak shadow grass. It shot really good. really liked 52 gr sierra bthp bullets over RL 15 powder. I never liked the plastic stock so i traded it off. I have a Winchester model 70 coyote .223 with the brown laminate stock and stainless varmint contour barrel that shoots every bit as good as the savage did

How many shots of "same hole accuracy" do you get out of a stock sporter barrel before it warms up and starts walking your POI all over the place?

Maybe he wants to shoot heavier projectiles at distance and needs a faster twist rate.

He hasn't even bought the gun yet and you're about to stroke out because he's talking about what changes he might make to a gun that will belong to him, not you.

Lighten up Francis.

Mike

Everyone has a "one hole" gun......until you take them to a match, lol.

Every gun I own will shoot one hole... Until I pull the trigger on that second shot.

(Shotties excluded)

Mike

LOL.

how about , I don't care what your group size is till it is 10 rounds in less than 4 minutes.

Best fur gun I ever owned started life as a Model 110 .223. Ordered a 18" . 17 Remington barrel for it. Miss that gun.

Savage

before you start shopping chassis you need to as yourself one more question

STANAG or AICS

AICS get spendy fast and only hold limited rounds and stick out farther per round

STANAG limits your actions a bit more but still allows for the Ruger ranch gets you a solid start , handy little rifle and ready to use and lets you put it in a MDT chassis if you decide to
also will have a 16 inch barrel and be threaded and Timney makes a trigger for it if you find you want to go sub 3#


https://mdttac.com/lss-xl-gen2-chassis-system/

I guess I would go Ruger American Ranch it leaves the most options open

that would be if I didn't just build it as a AR and be done

An AR build is coming as well, actually a pair, gonna be running Luth MBA 3 stock on them but I'm finding their a little trickier to shoot compared to a bolt gun. No to mean there a cool factor of running the bolt lol . That and so far most of the peoel I've been getting into shooting ( especially the girls ) get bored of big targets pretty quick