Re: Beaver lure mineral oil
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05/22/23 01:01 PM
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Mineral oil is good with a castor base beaver lure,since beaver lure is not used in freezing temps for beaver,after ice is on. If you want lure for land fur to be used in winter in very cold temps,glycerine is what you want.
Last edited by Boco; 05/22/23 01:02 PM.
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Re: Beaver lure mineral oil
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05/23/23 12:08 PM
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Upon first inspection, glycerin and mineral oil appear to be identical (or at least very similar) compounds: They’re both colorless, mostly odorless, and have mild lubricating properties that make them feel slippery when rubbed between the thumb and index finger. Chemically, however, they are very different compounds.
Mineral oil is a hydrocarbon, meaning it contains nothing except carbon and hydrogen and is a byproduct of the crude-oil refining process. Mineral oil is not soluble in water: If the two are mixed, they will form separate phases, with the mineral oil on top. Some mineral oils have been linked to cancer in animal studies involving exposure to oil mists
Glycerin is actually an alcohol and is produced by the saponification of plant or animal fats. Saponification is the reaction between the plant or animal fats and strong bases (like lye). Unlike mineral oil, it is soluble in water. In fact, it is hygroscopic and will actually absorb water vapor from the air. Glycerin is used by lure and bait makers mostly as thickener, binder/blending agent and sweetener, also as a humectant to keep baits moist and as a mild antifreeze agent in lures, baits and urines. Glycerin is not carcinogenic and is not believed to be toxic unless ingested in large quantities.
I suspect that years ago mineral oil was used because it was easier to obtain than glycerin.
Mr kytrapper, separation of a good, properly compounded lures' ingredients is quite normal over time and is not detrimental to the mix. Just shake it before use and you can grin knowing you will have continued success with it.
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Re: Beaver lure mineral oil
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05/23/23 04:42 PM
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Mineral oil is prescribed by doctors to be taken by the spoonful to treat bowell problems. Cant see it being a carcinogen and being OK for people to take internally.
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Re: Beaver lure mineral oil
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05/24/23 01:24 PM
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Mr. Yes sir, I don't know of a commercial source for animal fat based glycerin. Its not all that hard to make as it is merely low heat rendered tallow, lye, water and salt. I have made it before with exception of the distillation step that purifies the end product. I didn't have much luck with it because I found it needed to be refrigerated and has a very short shelf life. . About two months the clearness of the glycerin liquid started to cloud, turned rancid, and developed a sour odor.
Personally, I am not a big consumer of glycerin. Most of the commercially manufactured glycerin available for sale is basically a sugar alcohol and has a shelf life of two years if not opened. As soon as it is opened and exposed to the air the shelf life starts to dwindle. I suspect that because of its hygroscopic nature and its ability to absorb water vapor from the air there is high probability for bacteria to form. This could be a likely explanation and the probable cause of negative effect to your formulation as you described above.
In my opinion glycerin's main use should be that of an antifreeze as it adds no odor value, however I believe it should only be added sparingly to a lure or bait formulation when weather conditions warrant its need. I build my lures and baits without directly adding any glycerin and will only add it when it's very cold out and only add some (mixed 50/50 with 100 proof vodka) to a small portion of lure or bait that I figure I will need for the very cold period. A trapper would be better off just doubling the lure application during cold weather than adding glycerin as glycerin will cut / dilute a lures odor. I completely sympathize with you fellas that sell lure and bait to the public and have to put up a product that is consumer friendly and wont freeze and break the bottle.
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Re: Beaver lure mineral oil
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05/24/23 02:07 PM
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Mineral oil is prescribed by doctors to be taken by the spoonful to treat bowell problems. Cant see it being a carcinogen and being OK for people to take internally. You would be shocked to learn how many modern Medicine's contain cancer causing chemicals...and that's not even counting the newer drugs out on the market that they have no way of knowing what the long term side effects will be.
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Re: Beaver lure mineral oil
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07/02/23 12:33 AM
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Mineral oil as well as everything else we might consume is something one must use in moderation. A couple teaspoons of It to help you “go” won’t cause cancer. But drinking it by the pint or quart everyday for long periods of time certainly will.
Water can cool you on a hot day. But having your head held under the surface may kill you pretty quickly.
Haha. Just being a smart arse. But you get my point.
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