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THE ATF IS IN BIG TROUBLE...SCOTUS Decision #7872357
05/26/23 03:39 PM
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Re: THE ATF IS IN BIG TROUBLE...SCOTUS Decision [Re: Finster] #7872363
05/26/23 03:51 PM
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why? I did not watch the video.

the atf follows the executive branch orders not scotus.


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Re: THE ATF IS IN BIG TROUBLE...SCOTUS Decision [Re: Finster] #7872364
05/26/23 03:51 PM
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Re: THE ATF IS IN BIG TROUBLE...SCOTUS Decision [Re: Marty] #7872365
05/26/23 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Marty
why? I did not watch the video.

the atf follows the executive branch orders not scotus.


Really or are you just fun'in

Last edited by Finster; 05/26/23 03:52 PM.

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Re: THE ATF IS IN BIG TROUBLE...SCOTUS Decision [Re: Marty] #7872372
05/26/23 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Marty
why? I did not watch the video.

the atf follows the executive branch orders not scotus.



No, SCOTUS cannot issue orders to the ATF but they can absolutely strip them of Chevron Deference powers and restore the Rule of Leniety.

Chevron Deference is a past SCOTUS ruling that basically says where Congressional legislation is vague in definition or instruction then deference is granted to federal agencies to freely interpret as they will when it comes to rule making.

Whereas the Rule of Leniety says that where there is a grey area then all due deference must go to the citizen, especially when questions of constitutional rights or criminal penalty are involved.

The case in question here doesn't even involve the ATF at all. Instead the EPA and Corps of Engineers got a nine/ought slap down in a Waters of the United States case over a wetlands ruling the EPA had made. They prosecuted a couple for dumping gravel in a mud hole on their property.

Two things came out of it, the first is that "wetlands" governed under the legislation must be actually attached to navigable waters and second that the EPA does not have rule making power outside of what is specifically in the congressional legislation. If grey area they don't have the authority.

This most obviously can be applied to the ATF in the current brace rule over reach or the recently overturned bumpstock ban.

It almost certainly will have wide reaching effect on the multiplicity of unelected alphabet agencies making up rules out of whole cloth.


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Re: THE ATF IS IN BIG TROUBLE...SCOTUS Decision [Re: Finster] #7872373
05/26/23 04:08 PM
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BTW, who appointed three of the nine?


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Re: THE ATF IS IN BIG TROUBLE...SCOTUS Decision [Re: Finster] #7872377
05/26/23 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Finster
Originally Posted by Marty
why? I did not watch the video.

the atf follows the executive branch orders not scotus.


Really or are you just fun'in


I did not watch the video, yet.


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Re: THE ATF IS IN BIG TROUBLE...SCOTUS Decision [Re: Finster] #7872382
05/26/23 04:14 PM
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They should scraped the ATF

Re: THE ATF IS IN BIG TROUBLE...SCOTUS Decision [Re: Finster] #7872388
05/26/23 04:23 PM
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got a call a couple nights ago from big r wanting me to participate in a town hall with desantis. i am tired of the constant flow of we will stop this, we will prosecute him, that cant continue etc etc etc etc till i am sick of it. we all know what our rights are. i am done talking. i will just be a free man till i die, go to prison or get shot


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Re: THE ATF IS IN BIG TROUBLE...SCOTUS Decision [Re: Finster] #7872392
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The ATF is unconstitutional, right along with a lot of the other alphabet agencies.

"Shall not be infringed"


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Re: THE ATF IS IN BIG TROUBLE...SCOTUS Decision [Re: Finster] #7872394
05/26/23 04:37 PM
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in todays world within the usa you can count on government agencies overreaching their authority regularly. state agencies also. most people do not have the funds to hold them accountable..


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Re: THE ATF IS IN BIG TROUBLE...SCOTUS Decision [Re: ky_coyote_hunter] #7872400
05/26/23 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by ky_coyote_hunter
The ATF is unconstitutional, right along with a lot of the other alphabet agencies.

"Shall not be infringed"



see my signature ..... nuff said. I am with Danny on these issues.


Let's go Brandon

"Shall not comply" with morons who don't understand "shall not infringe."
Re: THE ATF IS IN BIG TROUBLE...SCOTUS Decision [Re: Finster] #7872417
05/26/23 05:57 PM
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Dang every time I start following a thread today it goes POOF. I wonder if this one will be next? lol

Re: THE ATF IS IN BIG TROUBLE...SCOTUS Decision [Re: Finster] #7872421
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BTW, who appointed three of the nine?


I like that Trump got to appoint 3 and get them confirmed, but it is irrelevant in this case. Biden and Obama together also got 3 confirmed and those 3 ruled the same way as the 3 Trump appointed. Quite the slapdown for the EPA.

Re: THE ATF IS IN BIG TROUBLE...SCOTUS Decision [Re: danny clifton] #7872430
05/26/23 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
got a call a couple nights ago from big r wanting me to participate in a town hall with desantis. i am tired of the constant flow of we will stop this, we will prosecute him, that cant continue etc etc etc etc till i am sick of it. we all know what our rights are. i am done talking. i will just be a free man till i die, go to prison or get shot

Take it easy Francis.


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Re: THE ATF IS IN BIG TROUBLE...SCOTUS Decision [Re: Finster] #7872432
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i dont like liars. see no reason to pretend its honest men running for office any longer


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Re: THE ATF IS IN BIG TROUBLE...SCOTUS Decision [Re: Finster] #7872469
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Originally Posted by Finster
Worst toupee ever, by the way.

The Director of the ATF has the worse rug ever.Look up the video where Jim Jordan crucifies that schmuck.


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Re: THE ATF IS IN BIG TROUBLE...SCOTUS Decision [Re: Finster] #7872491
05/26/23 09:55 PM
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The atf is not worried about a thing..


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Re: THE ATF IS IN BIG TROUBLE...SCOTUS Decision [Re: Finster] #7872493
05/26/23 10:01 PM
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Defund the ATF

Re: THE ATF IS IN BIG TROUBLE...SCOTUS Decision [Re: Marty] #7872544
05/26/23 11:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Marty
The atf is not worried about a thing..

Probably not. They are leeches drawing a government paycheck.They will continue to get paid. Maybe they will be moved to the border to process illegals. i heard that business is booming.

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