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Private treaty fur sales? #7874671
05/29/23 10:39 PM
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Can someone explain this to me and is it beneficial to the trapper or do we even have a say in how it's sold?

Re: Private treaty fur sales? [Re: Norwestalta] #7874681
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Shouldnít even be a thing. Make the buyers buy at the sale or wait for the next sale. Itís not rocket science. Private treaty is for the buyers not the trappers.


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Re: Private treaty fur sales? [Re: Jurassic Park] #7874686
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Originally Posted by Jurassic Park
Shouldnít even be a thing. Make the buyers buy at the sale or wait for the next sale. Itís not rocket science. Private treaty is for the buyers not the trappers.


Ok. I wasn't sure exactly it was but it did sound a little shady.

Re: Private treaty fur sales? [Re: Norwestalta] #7874688
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Itís big time shady. People will disagree with me, especially fur buyers.

Itís a good way for them to wait things out, see how the fur is selling, then walk in after the sale and buy the fur in the back room.

These fur buyers are all buddies with these auction guys. Put them in a back room together to make a deal is a joke.


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Re: Private treaty fur sales? [Re: Norwestalta] #7874690
05/29/23 11:12 PM
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its a good way to move fur that is not so much in demand.
They dont sell stuff private treaty that the buyers are fighting over.

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Re: Private treaty fur sales? [Re: Norwestalta] #7874693
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They arenít fighting over it because they have a back door to walk in after the sale and buy things leisurely.

Auctions are designed to make people buy things now or forever hold your peace . Impulse buying. People donít even understand what an auction is anymore. This isnít Sobeyís where you can browse and hem and haw.

People arenít spanking anymore and it really shows!


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Re: Private treaty fur sales? [Re: Norwestalta] #7874697
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No,when demand outstrips supply the buyers who want fur bid it up in the auction room.
Like I said PT sales move fur that is not in so much demand.


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Re: Private treaty fur sales? [Re: Norwestalta] #7874699
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Get rid of PT and see what happens.


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Re: Private treaty fur sales? [Re: Norwestalta] #7874700
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Everybody knows what would happen-Be a bunch of unsold fur costing everyone money to store for nothing.An get even less later when it gets stale.
If you dont want your raw fur sold at current market value,keep it in your freezer at home until the market comes back and see how that works out for you.
Or try to play catch up later when demand spikes.
Or do like some and sell into an alternative to the raw fur market.

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Re: Private treaty fur sales? [Re: Norwestalta] #7874707
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So is it the leftover junk that they just blow out the door to get rid of or prime fur?

Re: Private treaty fur sales? [Re: Norwestalta] #7874714
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No,not alway,sometimes fur not being bid up on the floor for whatever reason.(Oversupply etc).
probably mink coon and coyote sold PT in this current market-good skins too,just not much demand if you listened to the auction.
The job of the auction house is to sell fur for the trappers for the best price the market will support for bulk raw fur. not store it.
In the past I have bought certain skins PT from the Auction house for my own use.Good skins not available in my section.
Junk fur shouldnt be sent to the auction house in the furst place-it hurts the whole industry.
They do a great job moving that crap for whatever they can get in my opinion.Some of it should be shovelled into the incinerator.Also my opinion.

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Re: Private treaty fur sales? [Re: Jurassic Park] #7874728
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Originally Posted by Jurassic Park
Itís big time shady. People will disagree with me, especially fur buyers.

Itís a good way for them to wait things out, see how the fur is selling, then walk in after the sale and buy the fur in the back room.

These fur buyers are all buddies with these auction guys. Put them in a back room together to make a deal is a joke.
...true story

Re: Private treaty fur sales? [Re: Norwestalta] #7874735
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I would comment on this thread but Iím too old to get into another peeing match with JP and his buddies.


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Re: Private treaty fur sales? [Re: Norwestalta] #7874886
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you take muskrat coon coyote possom add their numbers together and see what the over all percent sold there wasnt a lot of fur of everything sold at the auction wonder how much longer fh will be around not many active buyers any more

Re: Private treaty fur sales? [Re: Norwestalta] #7874890
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Re: Private treaty fur sales? [Re: Boco] #7874897
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Originally Posted by Boco
No,not alway,sometimes fur not being bid up on the floor for whatever reason.(Oversupply etc).
probably mink coon and coyote sold PT in this current market-good skins too,just not much demand if you listened to the auction.
The job of the auction house is to sell fur for the trappers for the best price the market will support for bulk raw fur. not store it.
In the past I have bought certain skins PT from the Auction house for my own use.Good skins not available in my section.
Junk fur shouldnt be sent to the auction house in the furst place-it hurts the whole industry.
They do a great job moving that crap for whatever they can get in my opinion.Some of it should be shovelled into the incinerator.Also my opinion.

Definitely agree itís not the job of the auction company to store fur but sell it. In this market that would be a tough call on some items. That said itís hard to believe that coon prices were so much lower than the only country buyer actively buying coon. I mean top lot was lower than the top pile price they were paying. I doubt I could get myself to ship coon there again.


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Re: Private treaty fur sales? [Re: blackhammer] #7874909
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Private treaty is just a very shady way for FHA to make
all their money with packing, shipping, tumbling fees, and
buyer & trapper commissions.

FHA can make their money up front while
screwing the trapper at the same time.

Mark Downey always gets payed his cut
with private treaty but the trapper, not so much.

If it costs money to hold over fur until
the buyers have to pay reasonably for it,
so be it.

That's the price Downey & FHA should also
have to pay in order to earn their commissions & fees.

All business is at some risk, and if the trapper
has to risk financial loss then FHA must also
have to take some loss of commissions & fees as well.


Private treaty is a license to steal.

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Re: Private treaty fur sales? [Re: Norwestalta] #7874911
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Be interesting to see what happens with rats, not sure about the price basis that FHA is sticking to. Time will tell.

Re: Private treaty fur sales? [Re: Norwestalta] #7874922
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When I shipped I would tell Tyree,"sell it,I'll catch more"!

Re: Private treaty fur sales? [Re: wissmiss] #7874926
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Originally Posted by wissmiss
I would comment on this thread but Iím too old to get into another peeing match with JP and his buddies.



Ditto

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