Re: 32 Climate Predictions Proven False
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When we drop in a Coal Mine we see all of the different Climate Changes as well as the different environments that this Earth has gone thru. We also remember how in the 80's the Great Lakes were supposed to Freeze Solid and then 20 years later we all watched how Al Gore claimed that the Polar Caps were going to melt and Florida would be under water by 2010. Sea Level has not risen and his BS still is used. Only difference is they changed Global Warming (that could be disproved) to Climate Change. You cannot Disprove Climate Change because the Climate has been changing for thousands of years. just like Al Gore these Climate Greenies found a way to make Millions from it and are exploiting it!!!
God please keep they 19 fallen UBB miners out of trouble up there.
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Re: 32 Climate Predictions Proven False
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The biggest hoax of our time. The government just uses this hoax to gain more power over the citizens and as an excuse to redistribute wealth. The sad part is that most are either to stupid or to lazy to really look into the matter and just believe the talking heads like the good little sheeple they are.
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Re: 32 Climate Predictions Proven False
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The biggest hoax of our time. The government just uses this hoax to gain more power over the citizens and as an excuse to redistribute wealth. The sad part is that most are either to stupid or to lazy to really look into the matter and just believe the talking heads like the good little sheeple they are. You are spot on Fin, Control throw inflation and shifting our system to keep the working man in bondage to the elite and there herd of goats and dead voters.
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Re: 32 Climate Predictions Proven False
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The biggest hoax of our time. The government just uses this hoax to gain more power over the citizens and as an excuse to redistribute wealth. The sad part is that most are either to stupid or to lazy to really look into the matter and just believe the talking heads like the good little sheeple they are. George Carlin said to think of the dumbest person you know and half the population is dumber than that person. Lol
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Re: 32 Climate Predictions Proven False
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The biggest hoax of our time. The government just uses this hoax to gain more power over the citizens and as an excuse to redistribute wealth. The sad part is that most are either to stupid or to lazy to really look into the matter and just believe the talking heads like the good little sheeple they are. There are scientists who disagree with the ones who keep predicting global warming or climate change. Problem is, they are ignored by the government, the media, and the scientists who keep preaching man made global warming and climate change.
As an American I'm growing tired of our ancestors being compared to the migrants of today.
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Re: 32 Climate Predictions Proven False
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The biggest hoax of our time. The government just uses this hoax to gain more power over the citizens and as an excuse to redistribute wealth. The sad part is that most are either to stupid or to lazy to really look into the matter and just believe the talking heads like the good little sheeple they are. There are scientists who disagree with the ones who keep predicting global warming or climate change. Problem is, they are ignored by the government, the media, and the scientists who keep preaching man made global warming and climate change. You can't get grant money to study a crisis if there isn't one.
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Re: 32 Climate Predictions Proven False
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There are scientists who disagree with the ones who keep predicting global warming or climate change.
Oh boy, you shouldn't have said that. Won't be long and someone will post that famous statistic that 97% of credible climate scientists believe in global warming. And it's true if you define almost anyone who disagrees as not credible.
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Re: 32 Climate Predictions Proven False
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The major problem is the engineers and scientists who disagree with the government lie do not get the grant or government contracts because they do not play the game. Bingo! Not 1 cent of government grant money has ever been granted to someone to prove CO2 doesn't cause global warming.
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Re: 32 Climate Predictions Proven False
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[ There are scientists who disagree with the ones who keep predicting global warming or climate change. Problem is, they are ignored by the government, the media, and the scientists who keep preaching man made global warming and climate change.[/quote] You can't get grant money to study a crisis if there isn't one. [/quote] Want to bet, where do you think all these dodos get the money. I called a presenter out a few years ago at engineer's week and the guy got real angry. A little research and his firm's contracts were 80% fed/state.
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Re: 32 Climate Predictions Proven False
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There are ice reductions for sure. Just look at our glaciers. Did you even listen to the video? Any comment relevant to the 32 climate predictions? or is look at our glaciers all you got?
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Re: 32 Climate Predictions Proven False
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There are ice reductions for sure. Just look at our glaciers. Were they supposed to stay unchanged forever?
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Re: 32 Climate Predictions Proven False
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I'm not a climatologist and there is absolutely nothing scientific about my observations but I can tell you that our winters are warmer than they used to be. Our rain and storm patterns have changed. I understand the difference between weather and climate.
And yes, Charles is right, everything I have read is that the glaciers are in fact melting.
Why the changes? I don't know, but there are generally too many people on this planet. I can draw a straight line between almost any problem straight to too many people.
P.S. I drive gasoline and diesel vechiles and equipment. No electric for me. I would however like some solar panels for SHTF purposes. Can you quote one article that you have read that was independently researched from a reputable scientist that is NOT getting grants from a government agency that states glaciers are melting? No need to answer. You can't. You're behind the times (as usual). Rarely is the term "global warming" even used anymore. It has been disproven so many times now and so many "scientist" have been caught cooking the books and cherry picking facts that they gave up and just started calling everything"climate change". Well, NO CRAP! The climate has been changing long before man was here and will change long after man is gone. Man has ZERO to do with it. People look out the window, have a few floods or droughts and all of a sudden, man is changing the globe. Talk about delusions of grandeur.
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Re: 32 Climate Predictions Proven False
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I am no scientist. Very little formal education. I have seen fossil evidence though of creatures that sure look like they were cold blooded around Medicine Bow WY. Big creatures. Would have been tough to get below a frost line due to size. Possibly they could survive freeze and thaw. Who can say? Lots of evidence that most of KS was under water somtime in the past. Plenty of evidence that ice ages existed in the same locations. Climate has never been static. When I was in school we were told the world would be out of oil by the year 2000 and an ice age would be the result of carbon fuel pollution.
I am all for reducing air pollution. In the 70's driving into LA from Barstow down Tejon Pass on I15 it looked like thick fog over SOCAL. Not good, we all have to breathe. Whats going on though is way beyond anything rational in my mind.
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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Re: 32 Climate Predictions Proven False
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I'm not a climatologist and there is absolutely nothing scientific about my observations but I can tell you that our winters are warmer than they used to be. Our rain and storm patterns have changed. I understand the difference between weather and climate.
And yes, Charles is right, everything I have read is that the glaciers are in fact melting.
Why the changes? I don't know, but there are generally too many people on this planet. I can draw a straight line between almost any problem straight to too many people.
P.S. I drive gasoline and diesel vechiles and equipment. No electric for me. I would however like some solar panels for SHTF purposes. Can you quote one article that you have read that was independently researched from a reputable scientist that is NOT getting grants from a government agency that states glaciers are melting? No need to answer. You can't. You're behind the times (as usual). Rarely is the term "global warming" even used anymore. It has been disproven so many times now and so many "scientist" have been caught cooking the books and cherry picking facts that they gave up and just started calling everything"climate change". Well, NO CRAP! The climate has been changing long before man was here and will change long after man is gone. Man has ZERO to do with it. People look out the window, have a few floods or droughts and all of a sudden, man is changing the globe. Talk about delusions of grandeur. You sure are excitable this evening--wanting to argue about things I didn't even write. P.S. You posted a YouTube video to support whatever you are trying to say on this thread. Reliable.
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Re: 32 Climate Predictions Proven False
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Look at a picture of Mount Rainier in 1939 and one now. It had about 5% of the glaciers it has now. I could write a book on why CO2 doesn't cause global warming. It is complex enough that they can buffalo the masses but not anyone who understands molecular physics.
Funny thing is NASA reported the sun was putting out more energy a few years ago and when people jumped on it, the article disappeared.
Complete fraud!
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Re: 32 Climate Predictions Proven False
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I'm not a climatologist and there is absolutely nothing scientific about my observations but I can tell you that our winters are warmer than they used to be. Our rain and storm patterns have changed. I understand the difference between weather and climate.
And yes, Charles is right, everything I have read is that the glaciers are in fact melting.
Why the changes? I don't know, but there are generally too many people on this planet. I can draw a straight line between almost any problem straight to too many people.
P.S. I drive gasoline and diesel vechiles and equipment. No electric for me. I would however like some solar panels for SHTF purposes. When I drop every night I look at the layers this World has gone through. I look at how here in WV it used to be a big Ice Glacier and then a Rain Forest and then a Desert, Did you ever think just maybe this world has always changed Climate wise and always will and Dinosaur Farts had nothing to do with it.
God please keep they 19 fallen UBB miners out of trouble up there.
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Re: 32 Climate Predictions Proven False
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The purpose of this video is not to expose science-based research. I did not watch it all. Formed my opinion after AOC was quoted. Charles, your opinion was formed long before you opened this thread, and nothing would convince you differently. Had you listened to the video you would understand that the purpose was to expose that many of the previous dire climate predictions, by agenda driven politicians like Gore and AOC, and at the time prestigious science-based institutions, have not come true. The video simply quotes the predictions, who made them, the predicted time frame for the disasterous outcome and what eventually happened. Pretty straight forward and factual.
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Re: 32 Climate Predictions Proven False
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P.S. You posted a YouTube video to support whatever you are trying to say on this thread. Reliable.
BC, I would agree that YouTube videos are probably not the best source for Climate science analysis, but in this particular case it is a pretty straight forward factual comparison of what was predicted, when, by who, and what eventually happend. What would have been far more preferable would have been for the original sources that published those dire predictions to actually do some follow up on the outcome. But, I doubt there is much chance of that happening. Does any of that make you wonder why?
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Re: 32 Climate Predictions Proven False
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P.S. You posted a YouTube video to support whatever you are trying to say on this thread. Reliable.
BC, I would agree that YouTube videos are probably not the best source for Climate science analysis, but in this particular case it is a pretty straight forward factual comparison of what was predicted, when, by who, and what eventually happend. What would have been far more preferable would have been for the original sources that published those dire predictions to actually do some follow up on the outcome. But, I doubt there is much chance of that happening. Does any of that make you wonder why? I am not arguing for or against the idea of climate change. I am aware of the bias that exists in science. I am aware of environmental regulations being used to affect other political, economic and social change. I am aware of how money and politics can skew science. I also know that weather is not climate. But the weather, at least, does seem to be changing in my lifetime. That statement means nothing other than it is my perception. And, I generally just think there are too many people. For lots of reasons.
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Re: 32 Climate Predictions Proven False
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The purpose of this video is not to expose science-based research. I did not watch it all. Formed my opinion after AOC was quoted. Charles, your opinion was formed long before you opened this thread, and nothing would convince you differently. Had you listened to the video you would understand that the purpose was to expose that many of the previous dire climate predictions, by agenda driven politicians like Gore and AOC, and at the time prestigious science-based institutions, have not come true. The video simply quotes the predictions, who made them, the predicted time frame for the disasterous outcome and what eventually happened. Pretty straight forward and factual. some prove time and again why this myth is so prevalent today. Some can't even watch a short video, they either watch 30 seconds of it or they don't watch it at all and, as usual, give some uninformed opinion. Sheepel are why the government gets away with all of this overreach and not just "Climate change". Those that consistently post such uninformed opinions on this site are the prime example of the enablers, though they will never admit it either because they do not know any better, don't care, want this agenda, or are not smart enough to form a real opinion and just regurgitate whatever the government tells them. I guess it is easier to be a follower, no responsibility, and all you need to be able to do is point a finger to blame your neighbor.
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Re: 32 Climate Predictions Proven False
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some prove time and again why this myth is so prevalent today. Some can't even watch a short video, they either watch 30 seconds of it or they don't watch it at all and, as usual, give some uninformed opinion. Sheepel are why the government gets away with all of this overreach and not just "Climate change". Those that consistently post such uninformed opinions on this site are the prime example of the enablers, though they will never admit it either because they do not know any better, don't care, want this agenda, or are not smart enough to form a real opinion and just regurgitate whatever the government tells them. I guess it is easier to be a follower, no responsibility, and all you need to be able to do is point a finger to blame your neighbor.
Do you watch YouTube videos that oppose your views (pick the topic)? If so, do you watch the entire video? I'm just trying to figure out how objective and informed Professor YouTube really is.
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Re: 32 Climate Predictions Proven False
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Do you watch YouTube videos that oppose your views (pick the topic)? If so, do you watch the entire video?
I'm just trying to figure out how objective and informed Professor YouTube really is.
I look at both sides of an issue before I come to an intelligent decision. You should try it. Though, the intelligent part of that equation will probably still elude you.
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Re: 32 Climate Predictions Proven False
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Do you watch YouTube videos that oppose your views (pick the topic)? If so, do you watch the entire video?
I'm just trying to figure out how objective and informed Professor YouTube really is.
I look at both sides of an issue before I come to an intelligent decision. You should try it. Though, the intelligent part of that equation will probably still elude you. I bet. You give of a very learned and objective vibe. And reasonable. It must be all of the YouTube videos.
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Re: 32 Climate Predictions Proven False
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Back in the 80's they claimed the Great Lakes were going to freeze solid and the Scientists got Millions to find a cure. Then along Came Al Gore and he claimed Global Warming was going to melt all of the Ice Bergs and Ice Caps and Florida was going to be completely underwater by 2020. He and his Scientists got BILLIONS and when it was proven false they changed it to Climate Change and now get Billions more. Anyone else see this BS Method to bleed the tax payers dry!!!???
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Re: 32 Climate Predictions Proven False
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I bet. You give of a very learned and objective vibe. And reasonable.
It must be all of the YouTube videos.
As always, feel free not to click or comment on my posts. A fairly easy comment with easy direction and a simple decision. Then again, we run into that intelligence conundrum, don't we.
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Re: 32 Climate Predictions Proven False
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I'm not a climatologist and there is absolutely nothing scientific about my observations but I can tell you that our winters are warmer than they used to be. Our rain and storm patterns have changed. I understand the difference between weather and climate.
And yes, Charles is right, everything I have read is that the glaciers are in fact melting.
Why the changes? I don't know, but there are generally too many people on this planet. I can draw a straight line between almost any problem straight to too many people.
P.S. I drive gasoline and diesel vechiles and equipment. No electric for me. I would however like some solar panels for SHTF purposes. You have been alive on this multi-billion year old planet (6,000 year old planet if you prefer) for a mere blip, a nanosecond. You have no relevant data to form an opinion, let alone a hypothesis, or a theory about this matter. I know that you are not a scientist, but my hope is that you don't continue down the path of ignorance. I do not use the word "ignorance" as an insult. "Ignorance" simply indicates lack of knowledge. You need to allow yourself to open your mind and look deeper into the topic other than what is pushed upon all of us from folks who clearly do not have our best interests in mind.
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