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Re: KJV deemed pornographic in Utah [Re: warrior] #7877581
06/03/23 06:12 PM
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No, Jesus Christ is exhalted in the LDS church, he is the saviour & redeemer.

Far above man & Angels ....You really need to attend a few services and ask some questions...That's what I do when researching a church.

I'm sure your church is fine, and don't expect you to be converted, but you might get more insight.


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Re: KJV deemed pornographic in Utah [Re: warrior] #7877583
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its only banned from a public school library. whens the last time you saw a kid reading the bible in a school library or checking the book out?


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Re: KJV deemed pornographic in Utah [Re: ky_coyote_hunter] #7877589
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Originally Posted by ky_coyote_hunter
No, Jesus Christ is exhalted in the LDS church, he is the saviour & redeemer.

Far above man & Angels ....You really need to attend a few services and ask some questions...That's what I do when researching a church.

I'm sure your church is fine, and don't expect you to be converted, but you might get more insight.

I have done as you suggest. I've known a lot of Mormons over the years. Talked to many of them including bishops. I finally came to the realization that they use the same terminology as orthodox christians, however, their definitions for the same words we use is completely different. It can lead a person to the wrong conclusion that they believe in the same Jesus if you aren't aware of this.

You may well be one of those people who believe in the true Jesus regardless of what the church actually teaches.


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Re: KJV deemed pornographic in Utah [Re: danny clifton] #7877591
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
its only banned from a public school library. whens the last time you saw a kid reading the bible in a school library or checking the book out?

So what is essential liberty? And who are those that would be willing to give it up?


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Re: KJV deemed pornographic in Utah [Re: waggler] #7877593
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Originally Posted by waggler
Originally Posted by ky_coyote_hunter
No, Jesus Christ is exhalted in the LDS church, he is the saviour & redeemer.

Far above man & Angels ....You really need to attend a few services and ask some questions...That's what I do when researching a church.

I'm sure your church is fine, and don't expect you to be converted, but you might get more insight.

I have done as you suggest. I've known a lot of Mormons over the years. Talked to many of them including bishops. I finally came to the realization that they use the same terminology as orthodox christians, however, their definitions for the same words we use is completely different. It can lead a person to the wrong conclusion that they believe in the same Jesus if you aren't aware of this.

You may well be one of those people who believe in the true Jesus regardless of what the church actually teaches.

Yes word meaning are different in the teachings


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Re: KJV deemed pornographic in Utah [Re: warrior] #7877594
06/03/23 06:34 PM
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the book is not banned. kid can easy steal one from any motel. or buy one i guess if mom and dad wont. your sense of liberty include a book on witchcraft and devil worship ok in a school library or is access from a book store enough to maintain your civil rights when the koran is the book desired?


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: KJV deemed pornographic in Utah [Re: waggler] #7877595
06/03/23 06:35 PM
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You may well be one of those people who believe in the true Jesus regardless of what the church actually teaches.


I am, and I don't currently attend a Mormon church....I was raised in one though, so perhaps have a different perspective.

There are good people in all denominations, and I admire their faith.


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Re: KJV deemed pornographic in Utah [Re: warrior] #7877617
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All of you please stop posting your great insight on faith which is all over the place and if you can imagine a person doesn't believe in God reads this. That person would come away with the idea that the only difference between so called saved people and non is that there isn't any . Your like a room full of Dems. and Rep. My sides right and your wrong. I am sure he or she would smile shake there heads and walk away. Some of you guys are part of the reason the other side is winning.

Re: KJV deemed pornographic in Utah [Re: rex123] #7877636
06/03/23 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by rex123
All of you please stop posting your great insight on faith which is all over the place and if you can imagine a person doesn't believe in God reads this. That person would come away with the idea that the only difference between so called saved people and non is that there isn't any . Your like a room full of Dems. and Rep. My sides right and your wrong. I am sure he or she would smile shake there heads and walk away. Some of you guys are part of the reason the other side is winning.

Messy ain't it?.. Lol, differing opinions are everywhere, you just can't take it personal, or get over invested in being the one who has it all figured out.

In the bigger picture, you don't know squat, and I don't either.....Just shootin' the breeze and discussing what's on our minds, no harm in that, IMO.


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Re: KJV deemed pornographic in Utah [Re: warrior] #7877668
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My point was banning religious books from a school library wont stop you from teaching your kids your faith. you can buy one at any book store. schools have a lot more problems than lack of religious books. Ask your kid what it means to be american. ask them who daniel boone was. ask them why their ancesters told king george to jump in a lake.


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Re: KJV deemed pornographic in Utah [Re: warrior] #7877677
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The historical & cultural qualities of the Holy Bible alone merits inclusion in school libraries, to say it's pornographic is ludicrous.

Probably would have went over better if they just said they didn't like it.

But, as you indicated above, if the Holy Bible is in school libraries, you most likely have to provide the Koran, satanic bible, the best of Karl Marx, etc. or anything else they deem educational.

Maybe seperation of church & state is a better path these days.


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Re: KJV deemed pornographic in Utah [Re: danny clifton] #7877686
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
My point was banning religious books from a school library wont stop you from teaching your kids your faith. you can buy one at any book store. schools have a lot more problems than lack of religious books. Ask your kid what it means to be american. ask them who daniel boone was. ask them why their ancesters told king george to jump in a lake.

Good point Danny.


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Re: KJV deemed pornographic in Utah [Re: danny clifton] #7877691
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
the book is not banned. kid can easy steal one from any motel. or buy one i guess if mom and dad wont. your sense of liberty include a book on witchcraft and devil worship ok in a school library or is access from a book store enough to maintain your civil rights when the koran is the book desired?

I understand your point on this, I do believe ultimately the parents should have the say as to what should not be allowed in school literature.


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Re: KJV deemed pornographic in Utah [Re: warrior] #7877774
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Definition of Chief...

1: accorded highest rank or office

2: of greatest importance or influence.

Is that humbleness in Paul, or something more? There is only one Chief sinner; perhaps the power behind Paul to deceive? Such as the King of Tyre in Ezekial 28?

IMO, Jesus Christ never came down here to form a religion. He came to save all of mankind from their sins. He Was and IS the Truth, the Life, and the Way.
Paul screwed everything up and made a religion out of it Jesus' teachings. Now all Christians are arguing, fighting, and bickering, just look at this post. I'm not quite at the point of calling Paul a false prophet, but I'm getting closer the more I study what he said and what Jesus said.

The contradictions are deceptive, but blatant IMO.


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Re: KJV deemed pornographic in Utah [Re: Chancey] #7877784
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Originally Posted by Chancey
Definition of Chief...

1: accorded highest rank or office

2: of greatest importance or influence.

Is that humbleness in Paul, or something more? There is only one Chief sinner; perhaps the power behind Paul to deceive? Such as the King of Tyre in Ezekial 28?

IMO, Jesus Christ never came down here to form a religion. He came to save all of mankind from their sins. He Was and IS the Truth, the Life, and the Way.
Paul screwed everything up and made a religion out of it Jesus' teachings. Now all Christians are arguing, fighting, and bickering, just look at this post. I'm not quite at the point of calling Paul a false prophet, but I'm getting closer the more I study what he said and what Jesus said.

The contradictions are deceptive, but blatant IMO.


So, you're going to cut up scripture into the parts you like and the stuff you don't?

Who died and made you god? To have that kind of power.


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Re: KJV deemed pornographic in Utah [Re: warrior] #7877856
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The Great Commission. Ain't that what Paul was doing? I don't understand the conflict.

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The Great Commission. Ain't that what Paul was doing? I don't understand the conflict.


The usual God hater justification of but this verse contradicts that verse so let's toss the whole thing out or so I'll interpret it to mean what I want it to mean.

In this case they mask themselves in literary review and claim that Jesus said one thing and that Paul did something entirely different.

Nevermind that Paul got his marching orders in THE Road to Damascus event from Jesus Himself. Or that Paul went directly to Jerusalem and submitted himself to James and John and Peter for approval and to ensure that his message was the same as what Jesus taught them.

Scapegoating to shift the responsibility of their own sin.


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Re: KJV deemed pornographic in Utah [Re: Chancey] #7877889
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Originally Posted by Chancey
Definition of Chief...

1: accorded highest rank or office

2: of greatest importance or influence.

Is that humbleness in Paul, or something more? There is only one Chief sinner; perhaps the power behind Paul to deceive? Such as the King of Tyre in Ezekial 28?

IMO, Jesus Christ never came down here to form a religion. He came to save all of mankind from their sins. He Was and IS the Truth, the Life, and the Way.
Paul screwed everything up and made a religion out of it Jesus' teachings. Now all Christians are arguing, fighting, and bickering, just look at this post. I'm not quite at the point of calling Paul a false prophet, but I'm getting closer the more I study what he said and what Jesus said.

The contradictions are deceptive, but blatant IMO.

Chancey
Think about the Revelation. Was is also a deception? The seven angels of the seven churches? Some of wich Paul planted. Are the first 8 chapters of the book of acts a deception also ? Pentecost. Saul had not been converted yet
But there was already a great commission started.
You defined Chief, what about the definition of religion. Paul did not start religion. He was freed from a religion of bondage.
Rich


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Re: KJV deemed pornographic in Utah [Re: Giant Sage] #7877906
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Also Paul said he was Chief of sinners
Jesus told the Pharisies (I came not for the righteous, but for sinners)
There was a reason Jesus told the apostles not to go to the Gentiles.
He had plans for Saul. A Pharisie that hat so much zeal for what he believed was his duty. That he was kicking against the pricks , not listening to the spirit. Was the gospel never to be taken to the Gentiles.


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