No Profanity *** No Flaming *** No Advertising *** No Anti Trappers ***NO POLITICS
No Non-Target Catches *** No Links to Anti-trapping Sites *** No Avoiding Profanity Filter


Home~Trap Talk~ADC Forum~Trap Shed~Wilderness Trapping~International Trappers~Fur Handling

Auction Forum~Trapper Tips~Links~Gallery~Basic Sets~Convention Calendar~Chat~ Trap Collecting Forum

Trapper's Humor~Strictly Trapping~Fur Buyers Directory~Mugshots~Fur Sale Directory~Wildcrafting~The Pen and Quill

Trapper's Tales~Words From The Past~Legends~Archives~Kids Forum~Lure Formulators Forum~ Fermenter's Forum


~~~ Dobbins' Products Catalog ~~~


Minnesota Trapline Products
Please support our sponsor for the Trappers Talk Page - Minnesota Trapline Products


Print Thread
Hop To
Page 2 of 3 1 2 3
Re: Rescue Shelter (Coffin) check [Re: randall brannon] #7878263
06/04/23 07:28 PM
06/04/23 07:28 PM
Joined: Mar 2011
Montana ,Rocky Mtns.
Sharon Online content
"American Honey"
Sharon  Online Content
"American Honey"

Joined: Mar 2011
Montana ,Rocky Mtns.
Thank you, Randall, for sharing such knowledge.

I know next to nothing about mining, but respect the jobs and importance of the men who dig the world's riches out of the ground to benefit us.

I cannot imagine the feeling of those men in trouble. I know they, and us all, appreciate the guys who make sure they have every chance of surviving horrible accidents.

Re: Rescue Shelter (Coffin) check [Re: Sharon] #7878265
06/04/23 07:31 PM
06/04/23 07:31 PM
Joined: Dec 2014
west virginia usa
R
randall brannon Offline OP
trapper
randall brannon  Offline OP
trapper
R

Joined: Dec 2014
west virginia usa
Originally Posted by Sharon
Thank you, Randall, for sharing such knowledge.

I know next to nothing about mining, but respect the jobs and importance of the men who dig the world's riches out of the ground to benefit us.

I cannot imagine the feeling of those men in trouble. I know they, and us all, appreciate the guys who make sure they have every chance of surviving horrible accidents.

You are very welcome young Lady. I love this Job and when I retire next year I am really going to miss it. It seems to get in your blood.


God please keep they 19 fallen UBB miners out of trouble up there.
Re: Rescue Shelter (Coffin) check [Re: Bob_Iowa] #7878267
06/04/23 07:35 PM
06/04/23 07:35 PM
Joined: Dec 2014
west virginia usa
R
randall brannon Offline OP
trapper
randall brannon  Offline OP
trapper
R

Joined: Dec 2014
west virginia usa
Originally Posted by Bob_Iowa
I don’t do well in tight spaces to begin with, if in that situation I might honestly take my chances on the outside, otherwise the anxiety would probably kill me.

If I have the choice I am going to grab an extra rescuer and head to the intake and head for the mouth. I will for sure be caring extra Rescuers at every Cache. That is why every Quarter we have to do a walk out in case of an emergency. We never know where they are going to stage the emergency but we have to be able to walk out. My section is almost 26 miles in. It is a long walk out.


God please keep they 19 fallen UBB miners out of trouble up there.
Re: Rescue Shelter (Coffin) check [Re: randall brannon] #7878277
06/04/23 07:52 PM
06/04/23 07:52 PM
Joined: Dec 2014
west virginia usa
R
randall brannon Offline OP
trapper
randall brannon  Offline OP
trapper
R

Joined: Dec 2014
west virginia usa
The reason the WV rescue Chambers are sealed and can only be opened from the outside is because of UBB (Upper Big Branch) Mine explosion. You people will never be able to imagine the Total and Massive explosion that killed those 29 men. It tore up the Rail Road Tracks and turned the steel rails into Corkscrews and then embedded them into solid Rock tops and Ribs (walls). The roof Bolter I used was completely tore in half and embedded into the rib. Those 29 poor men never made it to a rescue Chamber and died where they stood. When we went to retrieve their Bodies they were totally destroyed. They were like Jelly and we had to use sleds to try to roll them into to get them out. Every Bone was totally shattered. The Concussion was that great. I honestly do not believe that the rescue Chambers that instigated after that would have survives a blast like that. I am lucky that I had to go to Kentucky with my right hand man to a sister mine that day. I lost Relatives and friends and ever since then people wonder why I am so hung up on Safety. The sad thing is that it all could have been prevented but MSHA and the Owners very much sold us out on that one!!!


God please keep they 19 fallen UBB miners out of trouble up there.
Re: Rescue Shelter (Coffin) check [Re: randall brannon] #7878295
06/04/23 08:19 PM
06/04/23 08:19 PM
Joined: Apr 2022
Wisconsin
G
Guss Offline
trapper
Guss  Offline
trapper
G

Joined: Apr 2022
Wisconsin
Thoes shelters not cheap Google 4k!!

Re: Rescue Shelter (Coffin) check [Re: warrior] #7878297
06/04/23 08:21 PM
06/04/23 08:21 PM
Joined: Dec 2014
west virginia usa
R
randall brannon Offline OP
trapper
randall brannon  Offline OP
trapper
R

Joined: Dec 2014
west virginia usa
Originally Posted by warrior
Originally Posted by mudtracker
Can you elaborate on what these are for?


1001 ways to die in a coal mine, these are for putting it off as long as possible.

Shelter boxes for cave ins, fires, explosions, etc that cuts off all routes of escape. The idea being that they are stocked with enough supply to last until rescue arrives.

Having grown up in mine country and seen a few, well let's just say men didn't come home, let's just say that there can be events that just aren't survivable.

You are 1000 percent dead on. UBB had their Rails in the Rail Line ripped up twisted like Corkscrews and embedded into solid Rock tops and Ribs. It also ripped my Roof Bolter completely in half and embedded each half into opposing Ribs. The devastation was unbelievable


God please keep they 19 fallen UBB miners out of trouble up there.
Re: Rescue Shelter (Coffin) check [Re: randall brannon] #7878303
06/04/23 08:37 PM
06/04/23 08:37 PM
Joined: Mar 2018
Pa.
B
Bigbrownie Offline
trapper
Bigbrownie  Offline
trapper
B

Joined: Mar 2018
Pa.

Originally Posted by randall brannon
Originally Posted by Bigbrownie
There was a lot of debate about the merit of rescue chambers when they were initially proposed with the MINER Act.

For many years, the number one tenet taught to those who found themselves in a mine emergency situation was to get outside, asap. All miners carry, or have access to, a self rescuer, an emergency breathing apparatus is good for approximately an hour. You use that hour to make your way to fresh air, and then outside.Years ago, miners were taught to construct an airtight barricade if escape was blocked.

It was thought that by introducing rescue chambers underground, miners might opt to take refuge there, instead of getting out. It’s always a better bet trying to get out than it is to stay underground.

You also have to have a Cache of Rescuers every 200 feet. You also have to have enough Rescuers for a full workforce plus 10. That way you should have enough air to get out just make sure you attempt to escape in the intake side if Possible!!

The cache distance is never 200 feet. From Part 75.1714
[Linked Image]

Re: Rescue Shelter (Coffin) check [Re: randall brannon] #7878324
06/04/23 09:16 PM
06/04/23 09:16 PM
Joined: Dec 2006
SEPA
L
Lugnut Offline
trapper
Lugnut  Offline
trapper
L

Joined: Dec 2006
SEPA
Originally Posted by randall brannon
If That is why every Quarter we have to do a walk out in case of an emergency. We never know where they are going to stage the emergency but we have to be able to walk out. My section is almost 26 miles in. It is a long walk out.


Your section is 26 miles from the mine entrance? And you have to walk out that far every three months?


Eh...wot?

Re: Rescue Shelter (Coffin) check [Re: Lugnut] #7878329
06/04/23 09:24 PM
06/04/23 09:24 PM
Joined: Dec 2014
west virginia usa
R
randall brannon Offline OP
trapper
randall brannon  Offline OP
trapper
R

Joined: Dec 2014
west virginia usa
Originally Posted by Lugnut
Originally Posted by randall brannon
If That is why every Quarter we have to do a walk out in case of an emergency. We never know where they are going to stage the emergency but we have to be able to walk out. My section is almost 26 miles in. It is a long walk out.


Your section is 26 miles from the mine entrance? And you have to walk out that far every three months?

Yes we do. But we leave our belts at the mouth and just carry a water jug and rescuer.


God please keep they 19 fallen UBB miners out of trouble up there.
Re: Rescue Shelter (Coffin) check [Re: randall brannon] #7878331
06/04/23 09:27 PM
06/04/23 09:27 PM
Joined: Dec 2014
west virginia usa
R
randall brannon Offline OP
trapper
randall brannon  Offline OP
trapper
R

Joined: Dec 2014
west virginia usa


It was thought that by introducing rescue chambers underground, miners might opt to take refuge there, instead of getting out. It’s always a better bet trying to get out than it is to stay underground.[/quote]
You also have to have a Cache of Rescuers every 200 feet. You also have to have enough Rescuers for a full workforce plus 10. That way you should have enough air to get out just make sure you attempt to escape in the intake side if Possible!![/quo
[Linked Image][/quote]
Ours are every 200 feet because we are known as a gassy mine. Low Coal and UBB seam. It is all written in our MSHA plan. they have the final say on that.


God please keep they 19 fallen UBB miners out of trouble up there.
Re: Rescue Shelter (Coffin) check [Re: randall brannon] #7878334
06/04/23 09:30 PM
06/04/23 09:30 PM
Joined: Jan 2007
Georgia
warrior Online content
trapper
warrior  Online Content
trapper

Joined: Jan 2007
Georgia
Sounds like a deep one. To be gassy and 26 miles.


[Linked Image]
Re: Rescue Shelter (Coffin) check [Re: randall brannon] #7878336
06/04/23 09:32 PM
06/04/23 09:32 PM
Joined: Aug 2011
james bay frontierOnt.
B
Boco Offline
trapper
Boco  Offline
trapper
B

Joined: Aug 2011
james bay frontierOnt.
Reminds me of the old song-Timothy by the Buoys.
Lots of hard rock miners in NE Ont.
Tough job.
Working underground was an option for me when younger but never appealed to me to work underground even though the money was better than the Railroad.

Last edited by Boco; 06/04/23 09:35 PM.

Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.
Re: Rescue Shelter (Coffin) check [Re: Boco] #7878338
06/04/23 09:35 PM
06/04/23 09:35 PM
Joined: Dec 2014
west virginia usa
R
randall brannon Offline OP
trapper
randall brannon  Offline OP
trapper
R

Joined: Dec 2014
west virginia usa
Originally Posted by Boco
Reminds me of the old song-Timothy by the Buoys.
Lots of hard rock miners in NE Ont.
Tough job.
Working underground was an option for me when younger but never appealed to me.

I love it and the way everyone works together as a Team. I guess when you crawl around with someone for years you learn to get along.


God please keep they 19 fallen UBB miners out of trouble up there.
Re: Rescue Shelter (Coffin) check [Re: randall brannon] #7878339
06/04/23 09:37 PM
06/04/23 09:37 PM
Joined: Mar 2018
Pa.
B
Bigbrownie Offline
trapper
Bigbrownie  Offline
trapper
B

Joined: Mar 2018
Pa.
Every underground Bituminous coal mine in the US is required to have two separate designated escapeways. Primary and secondary. The primary escapeway is usually the fresh air intake, many times it is the main travel way. Secondary escapeways are often times the conveyor belt entry.

Miners must participate in an escapeway drill every 90 days ( same as schedule for fire drills ). They are to alternate between using the primary and secondary escapeway every quarter. There is no requirement that the drill needs to be done on foot. Every mine I operated had travel ways for man trips both the intake travel way and belt entries.

Re: Rescue Shelter (Coffin) check [Re: warrior] #7878340
06/04/23 09:38 PM
06/04/23 09:38 PM
Joined: Dec 2014
west virginia usa
R
randall brannon Offline OP
trapper
randall brannon  Offline OP
trapper
R

Joined: Dec 2014
west virginia usa
Originally Posted by warrior
Sounds like a deep one. To be gassy and 26 miles.

You should hear it when you walk along the Face. Your Sniffer starts belching out the Beeps.


God please keep they 19 fallen UBB miners out of trouble up there.
Re: Rescue Shelter (Coffin) check [Re: Bigbrownie] #7878343
06/04/23 09:40 PM
06/04/23 09:40 PM
Joined: Dec 2014
west virginia usa
R
randall brannon Offline OP
trapper
randall brannon  Offline OP
trapper
R

Joined: Dec 2014
west virginia usa
Originally Posted by Bigbrownie
Every underground Bituminous coal mine in the US is required to have two separate designated escapeways. Primary and secondary. The primary escapeway is usually the fresh air intake, many times it is the main travel way. Secondary escapeways are often times the conveyor belt entry.

Miners must participate in an escapeway drill every 90 days ( same as schedule for fire drills ). They are to alternate between using the primary and secondary escapeway every quarter. There is no requirement that the drill needs to be done on foot. Every mine I operated had travel ways for man trips both the intake travel way and belt entries.


God please keep they 19 fallen UBB miners out of trouble up there.
Re: Rescue Shelter (Coffin) check [Re: randall brannon] #7878350
06/04/23 09:52 PM
06/04/23 09:52 PM
Joined: Dec 2014
west virginia usa
R
randall brannon Offline OP
trapper
randall brannon  Offline OP
trapper
R

Joined: Dec 2014
west virginia usa
Originally Posted by randall brannon
Originally Posted by Bigbrownie
Every underground Bituminous coal mine in the US is required to have two separate designated escapeways. Primary and secondary. The primary escapeway is usually the fresh air intake, many times it is the main travel way. Secondary escapeways are often times the conveyor belt entry.

Miners must participate in an escapeway drill every 90 days ( same as schedule for fire drills ). They are to alternate between using the primary and secondary escapeway every quarter. There is no requirement that the drill needs to be done on foot. Every mine I operated had travel ways for man trips both the intake travel way and belt entries.


Our Primary escape is the intake which is a separate entrance with stopping built every break and the Man doors every 5 breaks, Our Belts run in its own passage and in low coal you would be hard pressed to use it as an escapeway. The other Secondary Escape is usually the the entrance which is the rails. None of the mines in both Kentucky and WV that I work in have entrances through the intake. Our Intakes have HUGE Fans that stay running 24/7 to keep the air pushed through the mine. It is the only one high enough to walk out in. Up to the entrance where we go through the Man Doors and take the elevators to the top. There is no way to get a Mantrip into the Intake from the outside unless you shut off the fans. In a Gassy mine is a Big No No


God please keep they 19 fallen UBB miners out of trouble up there.
Re: Rescue Shelter (Coffin) check [Re: randall brannon] #7878352
06/04/23 09:54 PM
06/04/23 09:54 PM
Joined: Mar 2018
Pa.
B
Bigbrownie Offline
trapper
Bigbrownie  Offline
trapper
B

Joined: Mar 2018
Pa.

I guarantee you that there are not SCSR caches every 200 feet. Anywhere in the US. The criteria for spacing of caches is seem height. The distance that a miner could crawl, duck walk, or walk in 60 minutes.Why on earth would a escaping miner need to swap out a self rescuer every 200 feet? In 2006, I was part of the industry advisory group that had input into writing the MINER ACT that set the new standards.

And under Federal law, all underground mines are deemed gassy, ( whether they ave methane or not ).

Re: Rescue Shelter (Coffin) check [Re: randall brannon] #7878359
06/04/23 09:59 PM
06/04/23 09:59 PM
Joined: Jan 2007
Georgia
warrior Online content
trapper
warrior  Online Content
trapper

Joined: Jan 2007
Georgia
The fans, that low constant hum of my childhood.

Somehow years later it made the rounds as the "Hueytown Hum" some mysterious unknown noise after all the new subdivisions were built.

Those of us born and raised there just laughed at all the new folks.


[Linked Image]
Re: Rescue Shelter (Coffin) check [Re: randall brannon] #7878366
06/04/23 10:11 PM
06/04/23 10:11 PM
Joined: Jan 2007
Georgia
warrior Online content
trapper
warrior  Online Content
trapper

Joined: Jan 2007
Georgia


[Linked Image]
Page 2 of 3 1 2 3
Previous Thread
Index
Next Thread