Re: Forest fires and its effect?
[Re: DaveP]
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Why isn't the left screaming aboot Canada's massive release of greenhouse gases,? America's Hat is killing the planet!!! They are, it’s caused by climate change and white privilege.
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Re: Forest fires and its effect?
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Why isn't the left screaming aboot Canada's massive release of greenhouse gases,? America's Hat is killing the planet!!! Because it shows how quick nature can undo what those nut cases thought they were doing buying electric vehicles.
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Re: Forest fires and its effect?
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06/08/23 08:56 AM
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We pay carbon tax so we're all good or so the leftards say.
Will the smoke push the marten out? Do they go upwind, down wind or cross wind.?
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Re: Forest fires and its effect?
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I agree with Pete about the trail work a fire creates. It took my line several years to recover from a fire. When it did though the marten returned in decent numbers. The grass comes first where it was previously tundra and that brings voles. The fire that took some of my line was a fast fire so lots still standing but some tipped. Of course the traps were ruined from the heat!
I love the smell of burning spruce---I love the sound of a spring time goose---I love the feel of 40 below---from my trapline I will never go!
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Re: Forest fires and its effect?
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Why isn't the left screaming aboot Canada's massive release of greenhouse gases,? America's Hat is killing the planet!!! Pay attention to where all that smoke is going. It will be the same with nuclear fallout after the big one.
Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.
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Re: Forest fires and its effect?
[Re: Norwestalta]
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Forest fires will ruin a trapline here for a generation.Even longer if there are many fires or very large fires.
Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.
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Re: Forest fires and its effect?
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Take note of Tatiana's post your foothill trapline is a spitting image to ones she is talking of. Marten will go aboreal during a fire into their holes in the ground. It will take 20-30 years for the re-growth to support the rabbit population 8=10,000 stems / acre if it was a ground fire then you are s-o-l because the microtone population can not be supported= 90 % food for marten year round
Your lakes will have massive algae blooms for 5 years and winter kill of fish after that because of all the nutrition release. Good grief!^^^^^ I'm glad Southeastern US pine forests are fire resistant and actually are fire dependent. Only a raging wildfire in our pine forests (areas that have NOT been burned in several years) are harsh.....and even after those these pineywoods recover rather quickly.
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Re: Forest fires and its effect?
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Hunted Ontario years back the amount of down trees was amazing not char damaged just root damaged. The pines in the Black Hills burn for a long time the areas are closed for a year or more to traffic for fear of falling trees. Yes some burns are very slow to recover because of the intense heat.
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Re: Forest fires and its effect?
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A big fire can really hurt animal populations if they are spring time ones. Nesting birds/birthing mammals.
swampgas chili and schmidt beer makes for a deadly combo
You have to remember that 1 out of 3 Democratic Voters is just as dumb as the other two.
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Re: Forest fires and its effect?
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Worst country to pack out moose quarters is in a 10-15 year old burn.
Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.
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Re: Forest fires and its effect?
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Take note of Tatiana's post your foothill trapline is a spitting image to ones she is talking of. Marten will go aboreal during a fire into their holes in the ground. It will take 20-30 years for the re-growth to support the rabbit population 8=10,000 stems / acre if it was a ground fire then you are s-o-l because the microtone population can not be supported= 90 % food for marten year round
Your lakes will have massive algae blooms for 5 years and winter kill of fish after that because of all the nutrition release. Good grief!^^^^^ I'm glad Southeastern US pine forests are fire resistant and actually are fire dependent. Only a raging wildfire in our pine forests (areas that have NOT been burned in several years) are harsh.....and even after those these pineywoods recover rather quickly. The Gatlinburg fire was an example of what happens when our forests do not burn regularly.
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Re: Forest fires and its effect?
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Thanks all. I've been busy as a one legged man at a (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) kicking competition. Helping neighbors wetting down their hay and straw bales. Setting up sprinklers around my farm and cabin. Then got 3 dozers mobilized from the outfit I work for. Heading out on one of those dozers today. All out air assets are stretched very thin and none available at this time.
As Tatiana has said my bush is much the same as was described. Aspen,alder,spruce, pine, willow and Tamarack. With a mix of muskeg, peat loamy soil as well as grassland type of soil. They way the smoke is going straight up I suspect is a sign of a hot fire. Rain in the forecast thankfully but before that we've got a 30 deg C day or 2. We've been fortunate that the wind is blowing the fire away from our line but that'll change.
Thanks again for your insight and experience Stay safe on that fire line
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Re: Forest fires and its effect?
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I've seen coyotes move back in to fires as soon as they quit burning. Lots of dead mice and stuff.
With sniffy and his crew wanting us to go to electric cars to control global warming, why don't he call trustdo and tell him to stop all the fires so we don't get global warming
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Re: Forest fires and its effect?
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I hope everyone stays safe, one thing guys from down south have to remember is the short growing season up there so the forests don’t have the amount of time to regrow there in a year that they do in the southern USA. Its not about regrowing down here. Historically and even to this day crown fires just are not a thing here. Our fire regimen is ground fires sweeping through every few years knocking back hardwood growth and favoring fire adapted pines, longleaf and shortleaf. The big stand replacement events for us are hurricanes and to a lesser degree tornadoes.
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Re: Forest fires and its effect?
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Was perfect comditions for fires to become beast with that last weather. When you see lightning in the smoke cloud you know you have a beast growing. It is those 60,000 foot clouds that are putting the smoke into the jet stream to have fall down 1/2 the world away One of your Alberta fires grew from 5 ha to 50,000 ha in 36 hours , hope that is not the one effecting you.
NWalta does your fire have a code name we can look up and follow ?
on a return of marten experience; two of the areas I trap had fires 35 years before and it took 30 years for them to return in a aspen /parkland setting and a jack pine ridge habitat I'm unsure of code# but on the bc fire app it is the peavine creek fire. Today it was fairly subdued. I don't know how many of miles of line we cut today but we went up the border then crossed into bc. We skirted some spot fires and headed back south cutting line. We will end up at beaverlodge lake tomorrow late morning early or early afternoon. I'll try to send a link. This is a relatively small fire compared to some of them that are burning. Because our provincial wildfire guys are tapped the county of grande prairie is running the show and I must say that I'm very impressed with the organization and way things are being done. Guys working hard on the dozers gettin 'er done. It is a bad time when crashing trees all the fluff from the poplar trees and willows plugging up the rads. I'm not so good with the googler or confuser so I hope this works. https://www.bcfiremap.com/The fire is in the purple area straight west of Grande Prairie there's a fire symbol in that mess lol that give info on fire.
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Re: Forest fires and its effect?
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There is a BIG difference in the aftermath of a wild fire and a controlled burn.... Correct And the paradox is that controlled burns prevent wildfires.
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