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Forest fires and its effect? #7880137
06/08/23 02:43 AM
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Hey fellas some of you I'm sure have had a fire go thru your lines so I'm wondering what effect did it have on fur bearing animals and big game?

Reason I'm asking is a fire just jumped the alberta/ bc border onto our line. I'm thinking it won't burn the whole line but it will surely do some damage. There's a bigger fire maybe 25 miles away that is moving east to our line. What is you experience with wildlife and forest fires?

Re: Forest fires and its effect? [Re: Norwestalta] #7880142
06/08/23 03:05 AM
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The new growth will be great for big game, similar to a clear cut. Nonaboreal furbearersshould do well too.

Keith

Re: Forest fires and its effect? [Re: Norwestalta] #7880173
06/08/23 06:34 AM
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Why isn't the left screaming aboot Canada's massive release of greenhouse gases,?
America's Hat is killing the planet!!!

Re: Forest fires and its effect? [Re: DaveP] #7880205
06/08/23 07:14 AM
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Originally Posted by DaveP
Why isn't the left screaming aboot Canada's massive release of greenhouse gases,?
America's Hat is killing the planet!!!


They are, itís caused by climate change and white privilege.

Re: Forest fires and its effect? [Re: DaveP] #7880240
06/08/23 08:05 AM
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Eastern Shore of Maryland
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Originally Posted by DaveP
Why isn't the left screaming aboot Canada's massive release of greenhouse gases,?
America's Hat is killing the planet!!!


Because it shows how quick nature can undo what those nut cases thought they were doing buying electric vehicles.


-Goofy-
Re: Forest fires and its effect? [Re: Norwestalta] #7880242
06/08/23 08:09 AM
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i wonder if all the smoke in the air , will cool the planted

Re: Forest fires and its effect? [Re: Norwestalta] #7880271
06/08/23 08:56 AM
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We pay carbon tax so we're all good or so the leftards say.

Will the smoke push the marten out? Do they go upwind, down wind or cross wind.?

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Re: Forest fires and its effect? [Re: Norwestalta] #7880293
06/08/23 09:51 AM
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Being from the south. And Coyote trapping here foe 35 years. I have been around = Controlled Burns = all my life. I have seen turkeys eating dead bugs. While the forest where still smoking. Animal leave. Then come right back

Re: Forest fires and its effect? [Re: Norwestalta] #7880300
06/08/23 10:01 AM
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All the new growth is a magnet for animals that forage. Animals that forage are a magnet for animals that hunt.

Re: Forest fires and its effect? [Re: Norwestalta] #7880304
06/08/23 10:11 AM
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Asked a game warden once about a dead deer just off the road in a recently burned area. The land was mostly peat and would burn several feet deep in veins. Very hard to extinguish. The warden said the deer returned to their home range before the soil was uniformly cool. The hot spots blistered the deer's feet under its hooves causing the deer to die of infection.

Re: Forest fires and its effect? [Re: Norwestalta] #7880318
06/08/23 10:37 AM
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My experience has been that a lot of furbearers increase after a fire. Especially those that depend on mice and voles and such. The major negative for me has been the problem of clearing tipped over trees that fell over my trails.

Pete

Re: Forest fires and its effect? [Re: Norwestalta] #7880366
06/08/23 11:25 AM
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I agree with Pete about the trail work a fire creates. It took my line several years to recover from a fire. When it did though the marten returned in decent numbers. The grass comes first where it was previously tundra and that brings voles. The fire that took some of my line was a fast fire so lots still standing but some tipped. Of course the traps were ruined from the heat!


I love the smell of burning spruce---I love the sound of a spring time goose---I love the feel of 40 below---from my trapline I will never go!
Re: Forest fires and its effect? [Re: Norwestalta] #7880389
06/08/23 11:59 AM
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Secondary fires, that happen in the decade following the initial fire, can be pretty bad, sometimes worse than the original low-intensity fires in old-stand boreal forests at the peak of their natural fire/regen cycle (~200 years). All the dead trees burning creates a lot of heat can cause crown fires even where forests are not naturally very prone to them (.e.g. floodplain forests with spruce/fir). Such fires also destroy the organic layer of the soil and root systems of trees that rely on root regeneration, such as aspen, slowing down overall forest regeneration.

In montane areas of Eastern Siberia/Yakutia, secondary fires, which have become common in the past two decades, combined with very hot dry summers, are creating a new problem: the forest simply fails to regenerate between the fires, causing deforestation of mountain slopes and consequent erosion, so there's nothing left but rocks and a few shrubs. Naturally, everything leaves the affected area for good (voles, sable, moose, ....).

People here take care to clear as much dead wood around their cabins as possible, and (where possible) create what's called "mineralized strips" here, i.e. plowed strips 3-4 feet wide with all combustible debris cleared out. Hunting/trapping cabins here are traditionally built with tar sheet roofs but people have been trying to replace them with sheet metal roofs, because more cabins survive fires this way.


Re: Forest fires and its effect? [Re: DaveP] #7880396
06/08/23 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by DaveP
Why isn't the left screaming aboot Canada's massive release of greenhouse gases,?
America's Hat is killing the planet!!!


Pay attention to where all that smoke is going.
It will be the same with nuclear fallout after the big one.


Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.
Re: Forest fires and its effect? [Re: Norwestalta] #7880485
06/08/23 02:18 PM
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Native Americans annually burned large chunks of pretty much every state. Many reasons for this, one was the fresh growth after a fire attracted game. Burned areas green up much faster in the spring than unburnt areas.

I burn my grasslands and woods regularly. I am the only one around that does that. If the animals didn't like the burnt areas they have no issue staying away. Quite the opposite happens. Early spring the fields green up much faster than all my neighbors and the deer are in the burnt areas nibbling on green shoots.

Re: Forest fires and its effect? [Re: Norwestalta] #7880487
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Forest fires will ruin a trapline here for a generation.Even longer if there are many fires or very large fires.


Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.
Re: Forest fires and its effect? [Re: Norwestalta] #7880491
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There is a BIG difference in the aftermath of a wild fire and a controlled burn....


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Re: Forest fires and its effect? [Re: Norwestalta] #7880657
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Take note of Tatiana's post
your foothill trapline is a spitting image to ones she is talking of.
Marten will go aboreal during a fire into their holes in the ground.
It will take 20-30 years for the re-growth to support the rabbit population 8=10,000 stems / acre
if it was a ground fire then you are s-o-l because the microtone population can not be supported= 90 % food for marten year round

Your lakes will have massive algae blooms for 5 years and winter kill of fish after that because of all the nutrition release.

Re: Forest fires and its effect? [Re: Northof50] #7880664
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Originally Posted by Northof50
Take note of Tatiana's post
your foothill trapline is a spitting image to ones she is talking of.
Marten will go aboreal during a fire into their holes in the ground.
It will take 20-30 years for the re-growth to support the rabbit population 8=10,000 stems / acre
if it was a ground fire then you are s-o-l because the microtone population can not be supported= 90 % food for marten year round

Your lakes will have massive algae blooms for 5 years and winter kill of fish after that because of all the nutrition release.

Good grief!^^^^^

I'm glad Southeastern US pine forests are fire resistant and actually are fire dependent. Only a raging wildfire in our pine forests (areas that have NOT been burned in several years) are harsh.....and even after those these pineywoods recover rather quickly.


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Re: Forest fires and its effect? [Re: Norwestalta] #7880669
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Hunted Ontario years back the amount of down trees was amazing not char damaged just root damaged. The pines in the Black Hills burn for a long time the areas are closed for a year or more to traffic for fear of falling trees. Yes some burns are very slow to recover because of the intense heat.


Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that!

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