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Re: Consequences for Trumped Up
[Re: Finster]
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06/10/23 05:03 PM
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Here is what this boils down to:
1. President Trump could declassify ANY document from his presidency. PERIOD! He had that power.
2. He gave the National Archives complete access to any record they wanted. That is documented, by his lawyers. PERIOD!
3. Had President Trump decided not to run in 2024, this would be a non-issue. PERIOD!
4. Hillary and Biden did much worse. Hillary should be in prison right now and Biden did the same thing if not worse BEFORE fixing the election and becoming "President". PERIOD!
So poke around all you want and talk about it all you wish, but the fact remains that the Democratic Party is turning this country into a Banana Republic and no matter what side of the fence you land on, you better hope that the next trumped-up charges are not against you! PERIOD!!!!!!! Imagine having your house paid off only to have to mortgage it again so you can pay a lawyer. Just thinking about it makes me want to play a thousand gigs.
-Goofy
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Re: Consequences for Trumped Up
[Re: Finster]
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06/10/23 05:39 PM
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Oh Snap
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Here is what this boils down to:
1. President Trump could declassify ANY document from his presidency. PERIOD! He had that power.
2. He gave the National Archives complete access to any record they wanted. That is documented, by his lawyers. PERIOD!
3. Had President Trump decided not to run in 2024, this would be a non-issue. PERIOD!
4. Hillary and Biden did much worse. Hillary should be in prison right now and Biden did the same thing if not worse BEFORE fixing the election and becoming "President". PERIOD!
So poke around all you want and talk about it all you wish, but the fact remains that the Democratic Party is turning this country into a Banana Republic and no matter what side of the fence you land on, you better hope that the next trumped-up charges are not against you! PERIOD!!!!!!! This is exactly the way that everyone that is in my circle believes! WELL SAID
I love the smell of burning spruce---I love the sound of a spring time goose---I love the feel of 40 below---from my trapline I will never go!
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Re: Consequences for Trumped Up
[Re: Dirt]
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06/10/23 06:06 PM
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Do you know how the national archives know said documents even exist ? Does it matter? The fact is Trump was not suppose to take them. It is clearly covered under PRA "How much time do outgoing Presidents have to go through their papers to determine what to retain as personal documents? The Presidential Records Act (PRA) requires the President to separate personal documents from Presidential records before leaving office. 44 U.S.C. 2203(b). The PRA makes clear that, upon the conclusion of the President’s term in office, NARA assumes responsibility for the custody, control, preservation of, and access to the records of a President. 44 U.S.C. 2203(g)(1). The PRA makes the legal status of Presidential records clear and unambiguous, providing that the United States reserves and retains “complete ownership, possession, and control of Presidential records.” 44 U.S.C. 2202. There is no history, practice, or provision in law for presidents to take official records with them when they leave office to sort through, such as for a two-year period as described in some reports. If a former President or Vice President finds Presidential records among personal materials, he or she is expected to contact NARA in a timely manner to secure the transfer of those Presidential records to NARA. " Source: National Archives website But it's ok if Pence. Dementia Joey, and Hitlery all store classified documents for years. I get it!
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Re: Consequences for Trumped Up
[Re: Finster]
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06/10/23 06:12 PM
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Here is what this boils down to:
1. President Trump could declassify ANY document from his presidency. PERIOD! He had that power.
2. He gave the National Archives complete access to any record they wanted. That is documented, by his lawyers. PERIOD!
3. Had President Trump decided not to run in 2024, this would be a non-issue. PERIOD!
4. Hillary and Biden did much worse. Hillary should be in prison right now and Biden did the same thing if not worse BEFORE fixing the election and becoming "President". PERIOD!
So poke around all you want and talk about it all you wish, but the fact remains that the Democratic Party is turning this country into a Banana Republic and no matter what side of the fence you land on, you better hope that the next trumped-up charges are not against you! PERIOD!!!!!!! Who said its not illegal for biden pense and clinton to do all that,if they did that?
Last edited by Boco; 06/10/23 06:12 PM.
Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.
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Re: Consequences for Trumped Up
[Re: HobbieTrapper]
#7881923
06/10/23 06:17 PM
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Oh Snap
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When history, wait! History is being rewritten as I am writing this!
Okay if it’s ever really honestly revealed I’ll bet that most politicians have classified documents in their possession and it might even be as far down the ladder as mittens and mookowski!
Politicians are the only ones in our society that can break the law and get away without being punished!
Last edited by Oh Snap; 06/11/23 08:28 AM.
I love the smell of burning spruce---I love the sound of a spring time goose---I love the feel of 40 below---from my trapline I will never go!
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Re: Consequences for Trumped Up
[Re: Boco]
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06/10/23 06:40 PM
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Here is what this boils down to:
1. President Trump could declassify ANY document from his presidency. PERIOD! He had that power.
2. He gave the National Archives complete access to any record they wanted. That is documented, by his lawyers. PERIOD!
3. Had President Trump decided not to run in 2024, this would be a non-issue. PERIOD!
4. Hillary and Biden did much worse. Hillary should be in prison right now and Biden did the same thing if not worse BEFORE fixing the election and becoming "President". PERIOD!
So poke around all you want and talk about it all you wish, but the fact remains that the Democratic Party is turning this country into a Banana Republic and no matter what side of the fence you land on, you better hope that the next trumped-up charges are not against you! PERIOD!!!!!!! Who said its not illegal for biden pense and clinton to do all that,if they did that? Because they were not the President and only the President can summarily declassify government documents. Hillary was not President, she was Secretary of State. Biden was a senator and the documents found in his garage next to his son's crack pipe were from his term as senator.
I BELIEVE IN MY GOD, MY COUNTRY AND IN MYSELF.
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Re: Consequences for Trumped Up
[Re: mnsota]
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06/10/23 06:43 PM
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I watched a bit of Trump in Georgia this afternoon.. Now he is speaking to the North Carolina state convention. Two convention speakings in the same day,.I wonder how in the world Biden could stand up to that stamina during the election. If biden attempted this, he would probably fall down at least a dozen times and spout out more literal gibberish than you could listen to in an hour. Keith
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Re: Consequences for Trumped Up
[Re: Spike369]
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06/10/23 06:43 PM
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Does it matter? The fact is Trump was not suppose to take them. It is clearly covered under PRA
"How much time do outgoing Presidents have to go through their papers to determine what to retain as personal documents?
The Presidential Records Act (PRA) requires the President to separate personal documents from Presidential records before leaving office. 44 U.S.C. 2203(b). The PRA makes clear that, upon the conclusion of the President’s term in office, NARA assumes responsibility for the custody, control, preservation of, and access to the records of a President. 44 U.S.C. 2203(g)(1). The PRA makes the legal status of Presidential records clear and unambiguous, providing that the United States reserves and retains “complete ownership, possession, and control of Presidential records.” 44 U.S.C. 2202. There is no history, practice, or provision in law for presidents to take official records with them when they leave office to sort through, such as for a two-year period as described in some reports. If a former President or Vice President finds Presidential records among personal materials, he or she is expected to contact NARA in a timely manner to secure the transfer of those Presidential records to NARA. "
Source: National Archives website
But it's ok if Pence. Dementia Joey, and Hitlery all store classified documents for years. I get it! No. However, the law Trump initially broke was stealing government property and had nothing to do with classified documents.
Who is John Galt?
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Re: Consequences for Trumped Up
[Re: HobbieTrapper]
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06/10/23 06:47 PM
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"Some secrets, such as information related to nuclear weapons, are handled separately under a specific statutory scheme that Congress has adopted under the Atomic Energy Act. Those secrets cannot be automatically declassified by the president alone and require, by law, extensive consultation with executive branch agencies.
In all cases, however, a formal procedure is required so governmental agencies know with certainty what has been declassified and decisions memorialized. A federal appeals court in a 2020 Freedom of Information Act case, New York Times v. CIA, underscored that point: “Declassification cannot occur unless designated officials follow specified procedures,” the court said.
As the new ABA Legal Fact Check notes, the extent of a president’s legal authority to unilaterally declassify materials — without following formal procedures — has yet to be challenged in court."
Source: ABA
Who is John Galt?
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Re: Consequences for Trumped Up
[Re: warrior]
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06/10/23 06:48 PM
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How can a president steal what he has supreme authority over?
Or is the president a caged monkey?
Those are his papers, his work product.
If this stands the most powerful position on the planet is a slave of the nameless unelected bureaucrat state. I posted the Law. Can you not read?
Who is John Galt?
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Re: Consequences for Trumped Up
[Re: Dirt]
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06/10/23 06:50 PM
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No. However, the law Trump initially broke was stealing government property and had nothing to do with classified documents.
I disagree. He was contacted and cooperated fully with the archives. That is documented by his lawyers. He even did as they asked and put a lock on the room. He invited them in and told them if they needed anything to "just ask". Yea, sounds like a mastermind criminal to me! 
I BELIEVE IN MY GOD, MY COUNTRY AND IN MYSELF.
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Re: Consequences for Trumped Up
[Re: Dirt]
#7881949
06/10/23 06:55 PM
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How can a president steal what he has supreme authority over?
Or is the president a caged monkey?
Those are his papers, his work product.
If this stands the most powerful position on the planet is a slave of the nameless unelected bureaucrat state. I posted the Law. Can you not read? Shall I post the Supreme Law the Constitution of the United States?
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Re: Consequences for Trumped Up
[Re: HobbieTrapper]
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06/10/23 07:01 PM
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Sure post the section in the constitution that covers this.
Who is John Galt?
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Re: Consequences for Trumped Up
[Re: Marty]
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06/10/23 09:59 PM
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it is e-z to choose who to charge when you have/have had control of the justice dept...all the evidence on the bidens and nothing.....repeat that 50X over for all the other things not charged. 'They' have had control for a long time before 2016 and trump never stopped that. Could he have stopped that? If he would have cleaned house in the Justice Department and the FBI, he would have been impeached for obstruction of justice.
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Re: Consequences for Trumped Up
[Re: 52Carl]
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06/10/23 10:02 PM
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it is e-z to choose who to charge when you have/have had control of the justice dept...all the evidence on the bidens and nothing.....repeat that 50X over for all the other things not charged. 'They' have had control for a long time before 2016 and trump never stopped that. Could he have stopped that? If he would have cleaned house in the Justice Department and the FBI, he would have been impeached for obstruction of justice. Yup, had he moved against the DOJ/FBI while facing impeachment it would've made Nixon's Saturday Night Massacre reaction look tame. They rigged the whole game against him from the start.
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