Found this on another site for Arken Optics. 25% off

And it works!

Looks/sounds like another "Tactical" junk scope.

Actually no. They've been really taking the optics world over. So far the only real complaints about them is chromatic aberration. But other then that. Reviews are in and their almost all super positive. I'd post videos but no one ever seems to watch them so about the only thing that stacking up to them in the same price range is SWFA.
Regardless is way more then the average guy wants needs or know how to use so their that..

Yes, I would stay away from China scopes if possible. There are some things you just dont skimp on, glass for your guns being one of them...just my opinion

Have EP 5-25-56 & EPL 4 4-16x44 excellent scopes own Vortex Razors, NightForce Atacr, Zeiss LR 5 , LR 3 , and the glass in the Arken, is high quality. The price is where the real savings are, these scope are taking off. Was at PRS 22 LR., Saturday, used my Arken, EL 5 , done real well. Shortest shot 62 yd.s , longest 328 yds. Saw several shooters using the same scope. These scopes are fixing to do as Vortex, did yearts ago. Sell more and price climb.

Well, I guess if YOU think a scope that sells for that cheap is a good thing, have at it.
Some just don't seem to learn.

Yeeep made the same mistake not getting either Athlon or Vortex when they where cheap, I ow guys who have first gen scopes still kicking and they paid a fraction what they did

Wolfie, you have a passion for guns..., that's awesome.
Years from now, you will regret spending your money on the junk you buy.
I know myself, getting sucked into buying junk when I was your age.

My advice to you is (if you truly want) good stuff, quit looking for "deals", save your $$ for tried n true stuff.
Get out of the "Tactical Stage".
You'll thank me 20 years from now, (if I'm alive)

I will stick to my 30 year old Leopold x50..

Bump again for the day shift

LOL you are so out of touch . Where do you think the glass is made.

A pertinent fact about Leupold is that they employ approximately 107 optical and mechanical engineers. Not only does Leupold produce its optical and mechanical designs in the U.S., they also build the Mark 5HD in its entirety in Oregon. The only part of the Mark 5HD that Leupold doesn’t make in Oregon are the glass lenses. They set the specifications and then check each one as the scope is assembled. All design, labor and manufacturing belongs to Leupold.

I was told any scope under 500.00 is made over seas. It is impossible to build a scope in the US for less because of labor and that was 5 years ago.

Could honestly care less where it's made as long as it preforms and has the features I want for my prices point. Leupold just plain lacks that for me. Nothing against them as a company. Just is what it is. And when I have guys who shoot or a living and are big scope snobs owning and running every from barska and weaver to S&B March NF Ziess I'm talking $3000-5000 scopes on $6-8000 dollar guns, when I have
Those guys telling me hay I own a few of these and honestly their completely worth it....I mean.

Aslo with talking guys in the optics industry. "Made in the USA" and MADE IN THE USA are two different things.

SWFA. their Super Snipers are all fixed powers but under $300 made in the usa and are WELL known as rugged reliable NO BS

The US doesn’t really make glass lenses for whatever reason. I assume it’s about costs to setup, manufacture and then compete with established players.

Generally European/German glass is considered top of the heap. It’s pretty to look thru for sure but costs a lot. $3000 is a ballpark entry point. Id assume that makes for a real slim market share. Heck look at gun manufacturers like Ruger or Savage—-how often do you hear about a model 77 or 110 compared to the budget friendly Axis or American these days. Those buying in the European scope glass categories are competing at top levels or have deep pockets for their hobby.

Most glass comes out of Asia—China, Vietnam and Japan. Read somewhere recently that one of the American scope players was looking to source American glass but don’t recall which one. The American companies like Nightforce, Luppy, Vortex use Asian glass. And depending on the model/price point it will be cheap glass and fully manufactured/assembled overseas or it will be high end with final assembly here in states. There aren’t even that many players in Asia making the glass so your Nightforce or Vortex have similar glass just made to individual specs which often is in the coatings. Use to be thst Chinese glass was considered junk but it’s getting better all the time. There’s little difference in quality of glass offerings at the low and middle end of the product lines. So often you are picking model subtle features that appeal to you in the scope

Have several brands of scopes, Bushnell, Weaver, Tasco, Leupold, Meopta, Steiner, Vortex, Zeiss, NightForce, Redfield, Unertl, bought the Arkens EL5, & ELP 4, Have had the Arken,EL 5, side by side with NightForce, Zeiss, and I've looked through a few scopes in the last 50 yrs. It will be hard to bad mouth the quality of glass in the Arken. AS stated above Zeiss, european , (Japanese glass) NightForce, Vortex, Japan. Was skeptical about the Arken, have a old team member of my LRRP team, in a far of place. We stay in touch. Who was a sniper, still a shooter, and he's the person who put me on to Arken, we put alot of rds. down range together, worth every penny. Some might call it junk, but as the saying goes until you look through couple, and put rounds down range. Don't knock it till you try it. I shoot everyday, from 50yds., to 500 plus.

Amazing how much someone knows about a piece of equipment that they have never seen, touched, looked through, or used.

LOL you are so out of touch . Where do you think the glass is made.

A pertinent fact about Leupold is that they employ approximately 107 optical and mechanical engineers. Not only does Leupold produce its optical and mechanical designs in the U.S., they also build the Mark 5HD in its entirety in Oregon. The only part of the Mark 5HD that Leupold doesn’t make in Oregon are the glass lenses. They set the specifications and then check each one as the scope is assembled. All design, labor and manufacturing belongs to Leupold.

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Not sure who you are addressing, or what your point is about Leupold..? I missed where anyone was talking about origins of Leupold...

I have been looking at Arken's website. After I saw your post about the discount I went and looked again and ordered one. Don't really need another scope right now but that's a pretty good deal.
Now I can look for a rifle to put it on. I like looking for rifles.

Leupold

I have an good assortment of scopes. Just about all are mounted with quick release mounts and I swap them around often depending on what I am doing.
I had a buddy tell me about Arkin awhile back and that they were given a discount of 100.00. Just use discount code "lets go Brandon". Well dang, I had to buy one. Dang thing was so good I now own 5 and will be rescoping another soon.
If the scopes model starts with an "S" it is china glass, if it starts with an "E" it is Japanese glass.
What I like beyond the clarity is the lighted reticle. Only the very middle lights up. My night force and vortex the whole reticle lights up and even on low setting it will blind you and block out the target. That has not happened to me with the Arkin. The tracking is dead on, best I have ever had. If you are bagged, every click will move the impact point.
VS

Wolfdog——now you’ve got me looking for new scopes. Lol

Wolfdog, my take on optics: ** If you plan on dialing for distance, get a scope that the turrets and the reticle match. Mil reticle, mil turrets, MOA reticle, MOA turrets, unless you can do a lot of math, quickly in your head, when you start twisting the elevaion turret. And remember, if a scope is second focal plane, variable power,, that the reticle will only be correct at a certain X power, usually, but not always, on max magnification.**

If you're one of those that buy a scope, mount it, zero it and never plan on dialing the elevation for any other distance, the Leupold will be as good as any. If you plan on dialing for distance, you'll most likely be disappointed. The practice of tapping on the turrets after making an adjustment is a "trick" that Leupold users use a lot. Take a look at the PRS equipment used by SERIOUS shooters. Leupold is around 1% of the optics used, mainly for that very reason. Don't even see a lot of them at benchrest or F class matches anymore, which are pretty much "set and forget the zero" games. Oh, and now Leupold says "Assembled in the USA" , not " Made in the USA".

Vortex..very popular with the tight T shirt, flat billed ball cap, cool kid crowd, but to my eyes, even the top of the line Golden Eagles leave a lot to be desired. Eye relief / eye box is too tight, and focus adjustment leaves a lot to be desired. Lifetime warranty is a plus, because chances are, you're gonna need it, more than once.

SWFA : Rugged, tough, and extremely reliable tracking. Glass, on the lower tier scopes, is not great, good, but not great. Plenty good enough for ringing steel out to 1500 yards, but not as clear as say a Nightforce or top tier Sightron. Dan Newberry, of OCW load development and BangSteel 'fame', and has probably watched more bullets go down range, out to a mile, through a spotting scope than you or I could imagine, says that the SWFA fixed power 10x and 12x are the only scopes that he has not seen fail on the line at BangSteel, and this man sees multiple scopes / rifles on the line at his range nearly every day, ranging from "budget" to over the top expensive. If you want reliable tracking, plenty good enough glass for 99% of all shooting, and a reticle that matches the turrets, its hard to go wrong with the fixed power 10 or 12x mil-mil SWFA scopes.

Sightron .. good stuff all the way around. Plenty of options to choose from in magnification and reticle designs. A lot of "bang for the buck".

Arken.. hasn't been around all that long, like Athlon, but both are getting good feedback from shooters that actually use their gear for more than " zero, check it with one or 2 shots at a milk jug before deer season" folks.

Nightforce/ March / S&B, Ziess, etc. Here you get into the "get what you pay for category". A lot of options, for a lot of money.
I love my Nightforce scopes on my F class rigs, but probably wouldn't want these same scopes on anything but a groundhog rifle for hunting, simply because of the reticle designs in my particular scopes. Other reticles, more suited for hunting, are available, and would be outstanding in the field.

Oh, and regarding glass quality. German glass has / was long considered to be the "best", but Japanese glass has quickly became the go to for most top end scopes.

My 3-15 SWFA was made in Japan. To my knowledge all of the SWFA branded scopes are assembled in Japan.

Maybe something to look into.

Wolfdog, some great advice being posted. got people who know the facts, or have some time behind their weapons. But what i like being said, advice given, about Arken optics, and other scopes that they are using. What I'm reading shooters who want shot group hole in hole group dime will cover. I'm not satisfied untill I have tight groups. German, glass used to dominate the high end optics, but Japanese glass, has come to be the leader at present. That's what I like about PRS shooting, see about everything out their in optics. As I stated Arken, EL 5, mounted on my 6mm ARC, EPL 4, mounted on 308 bolt rifle. As stated reason for change for me, the clarity of the reticle & lighted reticle, for early light & late light shooting at predators.Steiner, NightForces, Zeiss, Vortex Razors, used alot for PRS, shooting alot, & hunting. Used the EL 5 on my Rim X 22 LR, last weekend for a match 1st time out, switched from Zeiss LR 3, and can't make myself switch back at present. As stated on this topic, elevation, windage turrents, are a must for myself. I have shooting apps, and Kestral, for my yardage. Zero, my weapons, then reset my turrents back to zero, so I can go back to my original zero, after yardage adjustments. Here's where Vortex, Nightorce, Zeiss, Steiner, excell, have alot of elevation adjustment, especially when I'm going out past 700/1000 yds. As stated you get what you pay for in high end optics. I'm still amazed and very pleased with Arken, got another EL5 coming, got rifles, for it. I use QD mounts. The high end optics, do have adjustment reticle knobs, to turn the brightness down or up on the reticle. Keep putting rds, down range and experiment, with optics, If they don't work do as I do trade, try another. Good place for resale, buying Snipers Hide

Some good reviews here.

I have what's probably a dumb question but here goes..

Why the reticle with mil markings along with mil turrets needed?

Wouldn't one or the other suffice?

Basically this.
Say I have a mill dot reticle right I'm aiming dead center shoot and I'm off . If my reticle shows that I'm two mils left three mils low and my turret matches my reticle all I have to do is dial that adjustment to be dead on.
So shoot ,miss left two three low dail three two done.

How ever if it's a MOA reticle or turrets and vice versa you need to convert. Ideally you'd have your dope right and all and you'd ake a first round impact but if not it's nice to be able to not have to do that extra conversion
But if you billy bob deer hunters shooting all of 70yd out of a box stand it's not something you really need to worry about .

It's nice at the zero range too not going to lie . Why I love my SWFA and it's mil mil set up. Aim Center shoot a group. keep my point of aim on and measure with my reticle. Whatever I measure, again say off too the left 1mil and high 3 , I just go to my turret ,left 1 mil up 3 mils . I'm not sitting there going " welll looks about two foot left... And there's 12 inches in a foot so 2x12= 24. And 1click =1/4" @ 100yd and where at 150 so.." yeah no shoot measure match. So even if your gonna do hold overs 90% of the time that option is really good do have

garyII1959 and 1cav—nice info. Thanks.

87% unrelated, but good deal for a cheap price, lol.
Free shipping too.

https://www.primaryarms.com/primary...e-with-patented-cqb-acss-reticle-pac2-5x

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